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General discussion => Gun Building => Topic started by: runastav on May 25, 2011, 02:54:05 PM

Title: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: runastav on May 25, 2011, 02:54:05 PM: Hi Guys!
A friend lend me his replica of a ca 1740 full metal Scottish Pistol, made in Italy, Spain or maby India? So I vill make a replica of the replica.
Photo show the different swivel pistol and the Scottish. Made a mandril to form the 1.2mm sheet metal
Runar
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Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Dale Campbell on May 25, 2011, 04:52:35 PM: Hi Runar,

A Living History museum near here has documented doing this. Perhaps this will help you. This is a link to Part I. I think there are 5 parts.

http://ruralblacksmith.blogspot.com/2010/07/scottish-pistol-project-part-i.html

Good luck! I always wanted one of these...

Dale
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: T.C.Albert on May 25, 2011, 04:53:33 PM: Thats looking pretty good for sure...I love those pistols, and my hats off to you for making one like you are...

Here is a link showing how another was made from scratch recently, you may know of it already, but if not you may find it interesting..
(oops...someone beat me to it...see above post...it is a great link)
TC
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: smart dog on May 25, 2011, 06:41:26 PM: Hi Runastav,
Looks like a great project but Scottish pistols from the mid 18th century have many details that are not incorporated in the reproduction that you are using as a model. First and foremost, the vast majority of Scottish pistols used the "highland" lock, which had a lateral sear mechanism. The trigger was pinned high in the stock like a those used for snaphaunce locks. The trigger was made with a silver ball rivetted to the trigger bar. Often, the top of the trigger bar actually protruded through a slot on the top of the stock. The best guns were heavily engraved and often included silver wire inlay in a woven Celtic design that showed beautifully when the stock was fire blued. You might want to buy a copy of Martin Kelvin's book on Scottish pistols, which describes many of those details.

dave
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: dogcreek on May 26, 2011, 06:15:17 AM: You're a very talented gunbuilder and artisan Runar and I enjoy tremendously viewing the photos and reading about the procedures as you manufacture your Scottish pistol. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: blunderbuss on May 27, 2011, 01:48:18 AM: Is it true that they would shoot their musket and disguard it , fire their pistol and throw it and then draw their sword and attack? seems I read that some where. Good work at any rate thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Luke MacGillie on May 27, 2011, 01:52:54 AM: Quote from: Dale Campbell on May 25, 2011, 04:52:35 PM
Hi Runar,

A Living History museum near here has documented doing this. Perhaps this will help you. This is a link to Part I. I think there are 5 parts.

http://ruralblacksmith.blogspot.com/2010/07/scottish-pistol-project-part-i.html
Good luck! I always wanted one of these...
Dale

One of the guys working on this pistol worked for me in the Native Programs part of the museum for a couple summers. He was great at that, but smithing was where he really wanted to be, and that pistol project shows that smithing is where he needs to be! What an amazing project!
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: runastav on May 27, 2011, 11:33:05 AM: Thank you all for your comment :)I made the stock and barrel first, and maybe I made a real snaplock, hmmm I made a Norwegian snaplockreplica from scratch some time ago but it is another story. here is a photo of the rifle.
And now is the ramshorn solder in place
Runar
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Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Rasch Chronicles on May 28, 2011, 11:26:39 AM: Fellows!

I was all excited! I thought that for once I could add a little to the conversation; I know of a blog where the blacksmiths recreated a beautiful brace of Scottish pistols.

Alas, Dale beat me to it...

And here I thought I was the Blog Miester!

LOL!!!

Runar, I am always amazed by your ability and wide varying interests and skill! I'm telling you, there is always something to learn from your posts!

Best Regards,
Albert “Afghanus” Rasch
The Rasch Outdoor Chronicles™ (http://trochronicles.blogspot.com/)
Custom Gunsmith Student, J Chan Interview (http://trochronicles.blogspot.com/2011/05/jeremy-chan-student-gunsmith.html)
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: runastav on May 30, 2011, 11:12:54 AM: Thank you Albert :)
More metal

Runar

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Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: mjm46@bellsouth.net on May 30, 2011, 02:07:06 PM: Wow! I never realized they were hollow in the handle. How does the weight of one of these compare to a pistol made with a wood stock?
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Steve Bookout on May 31, 2011, 02:34:48 AM: Hei Runar! Well, here we go again.....your fertile mind and acute desire are going to entertain us once igen. It is really great watching one of your projects take on life. Jeg vil gni meg Mjölnir og bringe du lykke!
Mvh, Bookie
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: doug on May 31, 2011, 10:56:40 PM: Quote from: Micah on May 30, 2011, 02:07:06 PM
Wow! I never realized they were hollow in the handle. How does the weight of one of these compare to a pistol made with a wood stock?

The only one that I have held seemed heavier than I would have expected although not a lot more than one with a wooden stock. If my memory is correct, it was close to 60 cal which surprised me because I had always assumed they were of small caliber. It sold for $3000 or so at auction which was more than a bit over my price range :>)

I really find the forming mandril interesting because I have been totally baffled about how the metal could be formed in that shape. On the one that I looked at, I could see a faint seam for the ramshorn but none along the bottom edge that I could see

cheers Doug
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: runastav on June 03, 2011, 12:15:31 PM: Thank you!
The barrel, I will make it out of tubing sorry Bookie HeHe ;) After I can customfit it to the forestock, Bookie ta deg ei øl farr og slapp av!

Runar

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Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: runastav on June 06, 2011, 09:49:26 PM: Barrel almost finish, you can use the laths as a miniatyr shaper

Runar

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From rusty pipe to shiny barrel

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Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: runastav on June 12, 2011, 12:35:42 PM: Hi Folks!
I am on and off building these days, $#*! it is shooting season ;)

So now the breach plug is installed, bolt M 16x0,2 Caliber of barrel, 11,65mm (458")

Runar

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Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Jeger Justnes on June 13, 2011, 08:23:05 PM: Way to go, runastav!
Looking forward to seeing it in action. Keep up the good work ;)
JJ
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: hoochiepapa on June 14, 2011, 04:04:24 PM: I am in awe of your talent!
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: runastav on June 15, 2011, 09:39:29 AM: Thank you Jeger and hoochiepapa :)
The Scottish gunbuilders was smart, see the barrelfastening in front

Runar

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Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Steve Bookout on June 15, 2011, 09:02:33 PM: Hei Runar. The pistol is taking shape nicely. After I read your last post to me, I decided to do something about it! Jeg sitter med en kulden Tuborg inne meg hånd. Vil du like en drikk? Den ville vil få gevær fabrikasjon flere god som man liker! Mvh, Bookie
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Rasch Chronicles on June 18, 2011, 11:42:36 AM: Runar,

I'm tellig you, I learn something new about machining with every one of your posts!

I always look at the tooling and tools on a persons bench, for clues on how the work is done. Many times the background is as important as the subject. I certainly appreciate your time and efforts in sharing your passion!

Best regards,
Albert
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: runastav on July 23, 2011, 12:58:20 PM: Hi folks!
Thank you Bookie and Albert :)
I will use parts from a small Siler flintlock for the snaplock, hammer, mainspring, frizzen, frizzenspring,pan and make the rest. photo show the lockplate at start
Runar
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Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: wetzel on July 24, 2011, 04:33:58 PM: Very fun to see this build. I am amazed and humbled to watch. Really like the before and after rusty pipe picture. Excited to see the snaplock.
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: runastav on July 25, 2011, 07:04:37 PM: Hi
Thank you wetzel, and the snaplock me too hehe ;)
Lockplate is near finish, its hold in place whith a screw in front and a tiny lip in the back. It must be bent to the slim grip see photo.
Runar
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Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: multifasciatus on July 26, 2011, 06:07:01 PM: Hi

Looks great Runastav,will come over to look at it.
Will also bring my new book i bought in Germany with lots of nice pistols and rifles even some Scottish
Aj
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: runastav on July 28, 2011, 03:14:16 PM: Hi
Alltid velkomen AJ :)
I will made parts for the lockmekanism from a scaled up photo from a old DWJ magazine #4-1983. have started build the sear, and this is LOT of work!
Runar
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Sorry all the photos hehe ;)
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: runastav on July 30, 2011, 08:50:04 PM: Hi Folks!
In my last post I did mean TUMBLER of course ;)
The SEAR I will show now, it is a sear-lever with two sears the foreward over the breast of the cock give halfcock and the rear one engages the tumbler phhuu ;)
Runar
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Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: runastav on August 02, 2011, 04:03:29 PM: Hi blackpowder folks
The hammer in rest,half and fullcock
Runar
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Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: brobb on August 02, 2011, 06:52:04 PM: runastav

Great pictures, I understand! Thank You
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: D. Taylor Sapergia on August 02, 2011, 07:49:17 PM: Runar, I'm really enjoying this build. You're doing a great job, both in the construction, and in presenting it to us.
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: raszpla on August 02, 2011, 11:13:59 PM: nice job!Greetings from Polish.

raszpla - Bolek
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Odd Fellow on August 03, 2011, 04:31:07 AM: Welcome Razpla, great to see you here!

These men will love your work!

Witamy Razpla, wspaniałe widzieć cię tutaj!

Ci ludzie pokochają pracy!
-translation via Google

Runastav GREAT WORK! It is very scottish and a very interesting build, Cant wait to see the final product!
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: cal.43 on August 03, 2011, 03:43:08 PM: thanks Runa
for your great thread, looking at you lock I understand how the flintlockkit has to be assembled that was resting for years in the drawer.

Viele Grüße aus Deutschland
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: runastav on August 04, 2011, 12:14:59 PM: Thank you ALL! :)
So is time for trigger, I have no silver for the ball but plenty brass ;) and D.Taylor this is a really HIGH pinned trigger hehe!
Runar
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Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: D. Taylor Sapergia on August 04, 2011, 06:23:49 PM: You will find the trigger pull is very light, because it is pinned so high. Great work Runar.
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Dale Campbell on August 05, 2011, 02:41:11 PM: Trigger pull is light. But the lateral sear makes for veerrry looonnngg creep.
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: D. Taylor Sapergia on August 05, 2011, 10:57:59 PM: The lock I made has a primary and a secondary sear. the big one that sticks through the plate into the wheel is held in position by a very small one. The engagement is much like that of a set trigger engagement. The lightest touch separates the two, and the thing is in motion. There is no creep whatsoever, and ounces of trigger pull.
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Metalshaper on August 06, 2011, 12:37:38 AM: Quote from: D. Taylor Sapergia on August 05, 2011, 10:57:59 PM
The lock I made has a primary and a secondary sear. the big one that sticks through the plate into the wheel is held in position by a very small one. The engagement is much like that of a set trigger engagement. The lightest touch separates the two, and the thing is in motion. There is no creep whatsoever, and ounces of trigger pull.

Mr Sapergia,

would you have a pic or drawing of your sear arrangement? Forgive me, but I'm what my teacher friend refers to as a "Visual Learner" ::) Sounds like an interesting sear set.

Thanks
Respect Always
Metalshaper/Jonathan
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: D. Taylor Sapergia on August 06, 2011, 01:07:25 AM: I'll see what I can come up with...
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: D. Taylor Sapergia on August 06, 2011, 02:01:42 AM: Rather than undermine this thread, which is a good one, I will post the pictures of the primary/secondary sear arrangement that I used on my wheellock pistol in a new thread.
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: runastav on August 06, 2011, 10:04:23 AM: thanks, and Dale Campbell the trigger letoff is just like a good tuned flintlock ;)
Here is the searspring
Runar
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Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Old Ford2 on August 06, 2011, 01:36:07 PM: Hi Runastav,
I look forward to this presentation, as your work always amazes me. You are a great artist.
Old Ford
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Dale Campbell on August 08, 2011, 04:18:07 PM: Quote from: runastav on August 06, 2011, 10:04:23 AM
thanks, and Dale Campbell the trigger letoff is just like a good tuned flintlock ;)
Here is the searspring
Runar

You are a master. Well done.
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: hoochiepapa on August 08, 2011, 05:35:23 PM: Very nice work!!
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: runastav on August 12, 2011, 03:58:00 PM: Hi Folks!
Thank you :)
I am waiting for parts to the Flintlock from AMERICA, so now it is the belt hook w/pierced base it is a lot of filing/elbowgrease for sale in AMERICA?And yes I have ordered a Jewelry saw haha ;)
RUNAR
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Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: cmac on August 12, 2011, 11:40:56 PM: Very nice work? You going to make a belt clip? Curious as to what the final weight will be in comparison to originals also
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: runastav on August 14, 2011, 11:22:25 AM: Goodmorning Folks!
Thank you cmac, and yes it is a beltpistol i scan a photo from DJW 4/1983 of a proud Scott with 2 pistols ;)
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And now it is the hook made from a 6,5x30mm flatstock, my hack saw is well used tool!And beeswax for cooling ofcourse :)

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Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: D. Taylor Sapergia on August 14, 2011, 05:54:45 PM: I'm really enjoying this thread runastav! In the picture of the Scot, his upper pistol is suspended in a leather loop that goes over his head and under his arm pit. The second or lower pistol is in his belt. But his basket hilt broadsword is his primary weapon, seconded by his dirk.
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: runastav on August 16, 2011, 11:44:57 AM: Thanks for the innformation Taylor! Now the base and hook is silverbrazed together, the hook is of mild steel and there is plenty of strength.
Runar
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Lucky me have radius tools hehe ;)
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Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Daryl on August 16, 2011, 05:53:48 PM: WOW - sure coming together - that was some mighty find hacksaw work on that plate - wish I could follow a line - A Taylor.(yeah- I know you can - it's voodoo to me)
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: welafong1 on August 17, 2011, 05:19:57 PM: hi
did you make any plans or drawings as you are going along?

thank you
Richard Westerfield
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Glenn on August 18, 2011, 03:48:03 AM: Runar this is very interesting to say the least. I have always marveled at these pistols and having been to Edinburg Castle once I've always appreciated Scottish weapons. I appreciate you sharing this with us all as I have always wondered how they went about building one of these. Please continue to share the developments.
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Glenn on August 18, 2011, 03:50:51 AM: Quote from: blunderbuss on May 27, 2011, 01:48:18 AM
Is it true that they would shoot their musket and disguard it , fire their pistol and throw it and then draw their sword and attack? seems I read that some where. Good work at any rate thanks for sharing

I dunno Dennis but I bet they didn't try that too often during our Revolution ... ;D
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: runastav on August 18, 2011, 11:58:30 AM: Hi Folks!
Thank you all :) And Richard Westerfield, not yet
Ok, so it is the ramrod or is it a toothpick?
Runar
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Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: runastav on August 20, 2011, 12:52:29 PM: Hi Folks.
The Scott was smart, a Pick-vent in the butt. made from a 4mm unbrako screw whit a brass ball head.
Runar
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Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: runastav on August 25, 2011, 06:59:32 PM: Hi Folks!
I got the Siler kit from USA, so it is time for pan monting/rebuilding

Runar

(https://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m556/runastav/Building%20a%20Scottish%20Pistol/DSCF2979.jpg)

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Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: runastav on August 28, 2011, 03:19:50 PM: Hi Folks!
The frizzen and frizzen spring assemble on the lockplate.

Runar

Here is the scott lockplate whith a Silerlock
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Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Big One on August 28, 2011, 08:10:55 PM: Very well done Runar !

JvR
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Dave Waters on August 29, 2011, 05:22:58 AM: Runar, what is the little square hole behind the pan fence for? I can't quite figgure it out.
Dave Waters
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: runastav on August 29, 2011, 09:51:15 PM: Thank you JvR, and Dave the hammer is now in place as you can see in photo the forward end of the sear-lever projects through the square hole, to give half-cock ;)

Runar

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Hammer in rest
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Half-cock
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Full-cock
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Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Big One on August 30, 2011, 11:51:01 PM: Smart thinking Scott,hey Runar ? ;D
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: runastav on August 31, 2011, 12:30:26 PM: Hi Blackpowder Folks!
The Scottish metal pistol is ready :)Very slim and light( 670 gram) See the different with my preceding build the Wenderpistol.

Runar

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Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Dr. Tim-Boone on August 31, 2011, 03:43:28 PM: Well done sir, quite an arsenal! Thanks for including us in the trip!!!
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: multifasciatus on September 01, 2011, 11:17:11 PM: Hi

Looking good ,super, looking forward to see it in the "flesh"
;)
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: hoochiepapa on September 02, 2011, 12:38:36 AM: I'll take them both!!
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: raszpla on September 02, 2011, 02:03:00 PM: congratulations! Brawo!
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Dave Waters on September 03, 2011, 03:17:59 AM: Thanks Runar for the pictures and explanation. I don't know why I couldn't see it.

You've done a great job. Thanks for sharing

Dave
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: alyce-james on September 03, 2011, 09:08:34 PM: Its been an experience you sharing photos and post with all of us on the ALF. I've enjoyed the venture Thanks again. AJ
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: runastav on September 04, 2011, 10:03:04 AM: Goodmorning, and thank you all :)

Runar
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Justin Urbantas on October 06, 2020, 06:34:10 PM: It's been a long time since this was commented on, but I just discovered it. Fantastic work Runar. I learned a lot from this build, you did a fantastic job on it. Did you do any engraving on it?
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: runastav on October 06, 2020, 07:24:01 PM: Hi Justin Urbantas and thank you, hope you build one! No its not engrawed :)
Runar
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: helwood on October 08, 2020, 03:31:42 AM: Runastav, I am so glad your post/thread was brought back. I really enjoy seeing your work. Thank you, Hank
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Monty59 on October 08, 2020, 10:57:14 AM: Always nice to watch what some build or rework here something I would like to show. A friend of mine has an italian replica of a scottish pistol I made three small changes to it I know the one on the hammer is not entirely correct but he is very happy with it.

Monty

(https://i.ibb.co/nkbSJpf/Bildschirmfoto-2020-10-08-um-09-46-35.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4N7xrkM)

(https://i.ibb.co/kcmnV4H/Bildschirmfoto-2020-10-08-um-09-46-48.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vzX5C3w)

(https://i.ibb.co/DzLqp84/Bildschirmfoto-2020-10-08-um-09-47-24.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HBXJdx7)
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Justin Urbantas on October 08, 2020, 10:29:07 PM: What company was that made by, Monty?
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Gunnermike on October 09, 2020, 08:17:03 AM: Monty that is one good looking replica (not to take anything anyway from Runar's excellent scratch build). Apparently the Italian's knew something more than the current crop of India cartoon replicas.

I found a nice original Isaac Bissell used by the Royal Highlands Regiment (later to become known as the Black Watch) at this location - https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/pistols/antique-pistols---1500-1850/scottish-royal-highlands-regiment-flintlock-pistol-revolutionary-war-era-pistol.cfm?gun_id=100805793

It would be a nice one to copy - there are 14 photos for future reference.

(https://i.ibb.co/F6dgcBH/Royal-Highlands-Regiment-100a-60-cal-x-8-in-brl.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Q9xrh6D)

Nice work Runar and you also Monty.
Mike
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Monty59 on October 09, 2020, 11:01:17 AM: Hello Justin, sorry I don't remember the maker but it was a Italian made one !

Monty
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Dennis Glazener on October 09, 2020, 02:36:41 PM: Quote from: Gunnermike on October 09, 2020, 08:17:03 AM
Monty that is one good looking replica (not to take anything anyway from Runar's excellent scratch build). Apparently the Italian's knew something more than the current crop of India cartoon replicas.

I found a nice original Isaac Bissell used by the Royal Highlands Regiment (later to become known as the Black Watch) at this location - https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/pistols/antique-pistols---1500-1850/scottish-royal-highlands-regiment-flintlock-pistol-revolutionary-war-era-pistol.cfm?gun_id=100805793

It would be a nice one to copy - there are 14 photos for future reference.

(https://i.ibb.co/F6dgcBH/Royal-Highlands-Regiment-100a-60-cal-x-8-in-brl.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Q9xrh6D)

Nice work Runar and you also Monty.
Mike

I am curious about 2 things. The barrel on the Guns International pistol appears to be elevated at the breech. Why is this?

What did Scottish rifles of this period look like?
Dennis
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: smart dog on October 09, 2020, 03:25:46 PM: Hi Dennis,
Scottish iron or steel mounted pistols generally had breeches that flared and extended above the stock at the breech.
(https://i.ibb.co/d7RvLby/scottish-pistol.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)

I believe this was done because it allowed a rear sighting notch to be filed into the breech but more because it allowed a strong heavy breech without having to make a steel brazed stock to fully encase it. Making those stocks was hard and expensive so they were made sufficiently large to encase the lock mechanism but not the thick breech. Eventually, those "design" or "engineering" considerations were adopted as fashion. Many flared breeches were decorated with attractive fluting. Even the earliest Scottish pistols with wood and brass stocks usually had a elevated flare or boss at the breech that could be notched for a rear sight. Scottish highlander long guns are extremely rare today because so many were destroyed by the British after Culloden in 1746. They were well made and often had beautifully carved curved butt stocks somewhat like what some call central Asian "camel" guns today. They retained snaphaunce locks longer than their English neighbors.

dave
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Dennis Glazener on October 09, 2020, 04:56:34 PM: Quote from: smart dog on October 09, 2020, 03:25:46 PM
Hi Dennis,
Scottish iron or steel mounted pistols generally had breeches that flared and extended above the stock at the breech.
(https://i.ibb.co/d7RvLby/scottish-pistol.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)

I believe this was done because it allowed a rear sighting notch to be filed into the breech but more because it allowed a strong heavy breech without having to make a steel brazed stock to fully encase it. Making those stocks was hard and expensive so they were made sufficiently large to encase the lock mechanism but not the thick breech. Eventually, those "design" or "engineering" considerations were adopted as fashion. Many flared breeches were decorated with attractive fluting. Even the earliest Scottish pistols with wood and brass stocks usually had a elevated flare or boss at the breech that could be notched for a rear sight. Scottish highlander long guns are extremely rare today because so many were destroyed by the British after Culloden in 1746. They were well made and often had beautifully carved curved butt stocks somewhat like what some call central Asian "camel" guns today. They retained snaphaunce locks longer than their English neighbors.

dave

Thanks Dave, interesting. One of the reasons I asked about the Scottish rifles was I do not remember seeing any displayed in the visitor center/museum at Culloden when we visited 15-20 years ago. I remember seeing a few pistols but no rifles. Just curious about them.
Dennis
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: smart dog on October 09, 2020, 06:53:33 PM: Hi Dennis,
Scottish long guns made before 1746 are some of the rarest firearms to be found. According to Claude Blair's publication on Scottish firearms (1995) only 28 examples are known to survive. Hundreds were made between the late 16th century and Culloden but only 28 survived the English. After 1746, Scottish gun makers generally adopted English styles with the exception of the pistol makers. They kept making the steel and iron stocked pistols well into the 19th century, which is why so many still exist compared with the early long guns. According to Blair 17 are in the Royal Collections in Edinburgh, 5 are in the Tower Armories, 2 are in Glasgow museums, and 4 are in private collections.

dave
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Gunnermike on October 09, 2020, 06:57:25 PM: Here's a better view of the Bissell pistol breech area -

(https://i.ibb.co/Mc29BZM/Royal-Highlands-Regiment-100c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bsW7bQz)

(https://i.ibb.co/D1yq7Nv/Royal-Highlands-Regiment-100k.jpg) (https://ibb.co/51y75dS)

You can see the barrel breech area is raised and the breechplug slides under the stock tang area with the tang bolt in the normal place. Runar shows the breechplug mounting on Page 1 Reply #15. And thanks for fixing all those photos Dennis!

Mike
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Dennis Glazener on October 09, 2020, 08:34:26 PM: Quote from: smart dog on October 09, 2020, 06:53:33 PM
Hi Dennis,
Scottish long guns made before 1746 are some of the rarest firearms to be found. According to Claude Blair's publication on Scottish firearms (1995) only 28 examples are known to survive. Hundreds were made between the late 16th century and Culloden but only 28 survived the English. After 1746, Scottish gun makers generally adopted English styles with the exception of the pistol makers. They kept making the steel and iron stocked pistols well into the 19th century, which is why so many still exist compared with the early long guns. According to Blair 17 are in the Royal Collections in Edinburgh, 5 are in the Tower Armories, 2 are in Glasgow museums, and 4 are in private collections.

dave
I can see why I have never seen any! Had never thought about it.
Dennis
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: Gunnermike on October 09, 2020, 11:18:19 PM: Here are some photos from the Royal Armouries -

(https://i.ibb.co/Yj2XL19/Possibly-by-Robert-Alison-II-of-Dundee-dated-1614-5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/s3jCVNS)
(https://i.ibb.co/R6QDxBK/Snaphaunce-c-1650-62-bore-x-36-brl-x-49-75-OAL.jpg) (https://ibb.co/94yrFV0)
(https://i.ibb.co/CtfhWFY/Snaphaunce-c-1650-02.jpg) (https://ibb.co/W3Lgs1M)
(https://i.ibb.co/GHt9Yy6/Snaphaunce-muzzle-loading-gun-1590-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FH0XZ2r)
(https://i.ibb.co/Rb60Bbk/Snaphaunce-muzzle-loading-gun-1590-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wgQWwgF)

Mike
Title: Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
Post by: smart dog on October 10, 2020, 12:50:31 AM: Hi Dennis,
Some of the surviving long guns are exceedingly beautiful stocked in Brazilian rosewood and gloriously carved. The long graceful Scottish snaphaunce locks on the early long guns and pistols were the most beautiful and elegant snaphaunces ever made. Italian, Dutch, and French gun makers made more ornate locks with exceptional engraving and chiseling but they mostly all lack the slim grace of those Scottish locks. It is ironic that Scottish gun makers were producing much more sophisticated and decorated guns than the English during the first half of the 17th century largely because they celebrated and learned from their European connections. The English gun makers were retarded by the civil war and a chauvinistic "not made here" mentality. That all changed during the reign of Charles II (1660-1685) when European connections resumed, a market for luxury firearms commenced, and highly skilled artisans like Dolep, Ermendinger, Gorgo, Barbar, and others migrated to England. They put the locals to shame and initiated a dramatic improvement in English firearms. What is remarkable, is that between about 1700 and 1800, English (and subsequently British) gun making went from a mediocre backwater to the best in the world.

dave