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Title: A Gumph rifle
Post by: B Shipman on October 20, 2013, 01:17:58 AM
A classic Lancaster city made rifle of the 1820's. Getz 44" B wt. .50 cal. barrel. Critics welcome.

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Title: Re: A Gumph rifle
Post by: wattlebuster on October 20, 2013, 01:39:16 AM
Wow  :o ;D
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Post by: smylee grouch on October 20, 2013, 01:55:01 AM
I agree, double wow. Its always a treat to see your work Bill.  Very nice.
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Post by: Mark Elliott on October 20, 2013, 02:14:11 AM
Maybe one of these days, I will build guns that clean and nice.  Gorgeous as always.   
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Post by: C Wallingford on October 20, 2013, 02:51:57 AM
Great job, Bill. I always enjoy looking at your work. Clean and crisp!!
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Post by: blucher on October 20, 2013, 03:04:40 AM
Amazing work. Is there a backstory to the trident on the cheek piece?
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Post by: whitebear on October 20, 2013, 04:40:19 AM
My only criticism is that you own it instead of me.
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Post by: J. Talbert on October 20, 2013, 05:50:03 AM
Nice!
A little off the beaten path - makes it all the better.

Jeff
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Post by: cmac on October 20, 2013, 06:04:52 AM
NICE!! Clean work there!
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Post by: Frank Barker on October 20, 2013, 06:34:34 AM
Very, Very Nice ! Exquisite...
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Post by: Curtis on October 20, 2013, 07:48:35 AM
Bill,
You are an excellent photographer, somehow your pictures make the rifle look virtually flawless. Seriously now,  the rifle has extremely graceful lines, I like the lock and triggers as well.

The  checkering really enhances the gun.  What was your choice of finish for the rifle?

You should teach, I for one would love a chance to be one of your students.....

Curtis
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Post by: willyr on October 20, 2013, 12:16:54 PM
Bill Shipman, absolutely beautiful, as always.
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Post by: Jeff Stewart on October 20, 2013, 01:22:03 PM
Another SEAL rifle?  You're going to end up arming half of DOD before you get done, Bill.

Beautiful work.  The lighting in your photos is (as always) spectacular.  Really like the lock.  You must be enjoying retirement and it shows in your work.  Bravo!
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Post by: D. Taylor Sapergia on October 20, 2013, 06:18:55 PM
Bill, we haven't heard from you for months, and then you show up again with another one of those wonderful rifles.  This one too bears your signature fit and finish.  I hope more pictures are forthcoming.
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Post by: tallbear on October 20, 2013, 06:36:10 PM
Nice Bill!!!!! Glad to see you're not spending all your retirement time in Atlantic City.

Mitch
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Post by: Tim Crosby on October 20, 2013, 07:23:54 PM
 Another Beauty Bill. The engraving on the PB almost looks 3 dimensional.

   Tim C. 
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Post by: Dave B on October 20, 2013, 08:25:58 PM
As always Bill very beautiful work. That cheek piece inlay engraving  is of the symbol for the US  Navy Seals
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Post by: Sean on October 21, 2013, 05:57:00 AM
Super gun.  My only criticism, if you'd call it that, is that you are a better gunmaker than pretty much the whole Gumpf family was.  I like the Gumpf's a lot, but you are a much better engraver than they were.  The lines, fit, and finish are all a step or two at least above what they produced.
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Post by: E.vonAschwege on October 21, 2013, 07:49:36 AM
Beautiful work Bill, certainly no critique from me - the stock flows from one end to the other gracefully.  I tend to like earlier guns, but it's refreshing to see later period Flint rifles being built and done so nicely.  One thing I noticed is how high the comb seems to appear, does your cheek really sit down onto it to sight in?  Is Drepper the same lockmaker or importer as Dreppert/Drepperd? Thanks for showing!
-Eric
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Post by: Sean on October 21, 2013, 01:53:48 PM
By the way Bill, you do a great 1820s era gun.  I've enjoyed seeing your other Lancaster and Maryland work from this era.
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Post by: Acer Saccharum on October 21, 2013, 03:53:43 PM
Bill, this is a completely stunning rifle. No flies on it anywhere. It's singing to me. Lovely, lovely lines and form.
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Post by: Majorjoel on October 21, 2013, 05:00:23 PM
Another Great Work Bill! I would put you right up there with all of the historical, famous and infamous Dentists that (moonlighted) had jobs on the side! Doc Holiday, Edgar Buchanan (Uncle Joe Pettycoat Junction) ............oh I know there were others! 8)  http://myfivebest.com/five-famous-people-who-were-or-are-dentists/
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Post by: T*O*F on October 21, 2013, 06:03:21 PM
Bill,
I have a friend who is a Gumph descendent and I showed him your pictures.  He would like to know more about the history of the gun; ie, which Gumph's rifle did you pattern it after and any details you might have.  Or was it a conglomeration of Gumph family features?  Anything else you might know?

Thanks
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Post by: acorn20 on October 22, 2013, 12:47:19 AM
Simply outstanding!  Nice clean lines, fit and finish...it's what we've all come to expect of your guns!
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Post by: Ed Wenger on October 22, 2013, 01:52:57 AM
As always, superb!  Thanks for the photos.


    Ed
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Post by: B Shipman on October 22, 2013, 07:47:04 PM
Thanks for the compliments guys. Yes, the rifle is for a Seal.
The finish is Permalyn rubbed back with rottenstone.
Jeff, the lighting is my driveway on an overcast day.
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Post by: Jim Kibler on October 23, 2013, 04:21:01 AM
Beautiful rifle Bill.  Good to see you're not just drinking Manhattans.  A while back I stole some ideas from Gumph's box lid engraving...

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Post by: Rootsy on October 23, 2013, 04:52:05 AM
Sweet Jesus!
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Post by: Paddlefoot on October 23, 2013, 08:44:35 AM
Dang we've just got a tremendous amount of artistic talent around here.  Both in guns and all forms of handcrafted goods.
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Post by: bama on October 23, 2013, 06:54:47 PM
Very nice Bill, it is always a pleasure to see your work.
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Post by: Long John on October 23, 2013, 08:50:54 PM
Bill,

Another stunningly beautiful piece of work!  It is truly an inspiration.  I hope I am 1/10th as good as you are when I grow up!

JMC
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Post by: J. Talbert on October 23, 2013, 09:50:02 PM
Not to get too far off topic, having already commented on Bill's beautiful rifle, but Jim, that's one very fine looking piece.
I think I'd want to hang it on the wall rather use it for serving.

Jeff
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Post by: Jeff Peters on October 23, 2013, 11:20:17 PM
Bill your work is as away great.
You are blessed with a true talent

Thanks for sharing the photos
Jeff
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Post by: B Shipman on October 24, 2013, 06:48:12 AM
Eric, the high comb is typical. There is a significant cast off. I sort of worked this in, but if you shoulder it, the sights line up automatically. I shape first and inlet the butt plate last, which is contrary to what 99% of what is done. Which is true of about everything I do. The LAST thing I do is inlet the trigger guard. And so forth.
TOF- it's a conglomerate of Gumphs.
Jim, incredible tray. A whim or your wife?
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Post by: jerrywh on October 25, 2013, 06:03:57 AM
 Bill. How Much?
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Post by: B Shipman on October 25, 2013, 07:17:45 AM
Seals get a discount.
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Post by: brokenflint on October 28, 2013, 10:24:06 PM
Seals get a discount.

Must be for one of the kids  ;)
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Post by: jerrywh on October 29, 2013, 02:21:00 AM
Bill.
  Your Gumph rifle is absolutely superb. The line are super sharp and totally correct. The whole gun has excellent definition. It is a magnificent example of traditional gun making. The engraving is incomparable.  That style is a style that few can do to perfection. There are very few makers who can attain such fine quality.  For what it’s worth  in my opinion it is flawless.
Jerry Huddleston