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General discussion => Contemporary Longrifle Collecting => Topic started by: Denny Ducet on March 04, 2017, 06:00:04 PM
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It is an honor to be able to present to you this particular rifle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuWoopHZQaY
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Denny
I assume that it is you in the clip and it is your rifle?
If so, very nice. Love it. Ever want to sell it send me an email.
Nice patch knife.
Fleener
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Denny
I assume that it is you in the clip and it is your rifle?
If so, very nice. Love it. Ever want to sell it send me an email.
Nice patch knife.
Fleener
Not me. This is a friend and Flintlock mentor. I don't believe he will ever sell it. He and this rifle are one. He made that "trade dag", northern Plains knife. It is cool - I need to make one sometime.
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very nice rifle,I do have a question.The rifle looks very petite vs. it's counterparts in the same mold built over here ie. hawken half stocks and alike.Is this a valid observation? Was it the norm for both contemporary and original.My quess would be conditions dictated the need for a more robust rifle over here back in the day.
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The Alex Henry rifles that I have built have been as little as 7/8" thru the wrist, as measured from original guns. All English guns are very slim with no extra wood anywhere.
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very nice rifle,I do have a question.The rifle looks very petite vs. it's counterparts in the same mold built over here ie. hawken half stocks and alike.Is this a valid observation? Was it the norm for both contemporary and original.My quess would be conditions dictated the need for a more robust rifle over here back in the day.
From what I understand and have learned from some of those who have been in this a long time as well as the one who built this very rifle - a sign of a good builders is the slender feel and removal of wood. Often, a sign of a less skilled maker is the leaving of excess wood and a heavier, "club" like stock. Every rifle built by the man who built this one is a work of art.
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Good video. Beautiful rifle. Thanks for taking the time to post it ;D
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I enjoyed the video and commentary. He is justifiably proud of his rifle.
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That's a really pretty gun. I especially like the transition from octagonal to round, with the filing of the octagon edges.
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I enjoyed the video and commentary. He is justifiably proud of his rifle.
Elegant rifle in my favorite style. I am wondering about his use of the word "roller".
I have never heard that term used as he described it and wonder if it's one of my
locks made a long time ago.The screw points I can see look like mine as does the
cock screw holding the cock to the tumbler shank.
Bob Roller
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Bob, it is my opinion that this lock started out life as either a L & R Durs Egg or a John Clark (Tottenham, Ontario) Whether you re-built it or not would show on the inside
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Bob, it is my opinion that this lock started out life as either a L & R Durs Egg or a John Clark (Tottenham, Ontario) Whether you re-built it or not would show on the inside
It was made by L&R I believe. He told me once it was a L&R Durs Egg - worked and engraved.
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Bob, it is my opinion that this lock started out life as either a L & R Durs Egg or a John Clark (Tottenham, Ontario) Whether you re-built it or not would show on the inside
It was made by L&R I believe. He told me once it was a L&R Durs Egg - worked and engraved.
Carefully unseat that lock and I'll settle the question.
Bob Roller
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I've been in this sport a long time, and have never heard a lock called a roller lock, that wasn't built by our own Bob Roller. I've heard the term roller frizzen used to dicribe a frizzen that either has its own roller, or rolls on one attached to the frizzen spring. I own a Lehigh antique smooth rifle that has a roller on the end of the mainspring, and through all the research, and conversations with knowledgeable collectors, and restorers, nobody ever called it a roller lock. My guess would be that when this lock is removed it will have Bob's mark in it.
Hungry Horse
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As for cleaning my flintlock, its cold, or luke warm, water only. Hot water makes flash rust. I don't know what all is in Windex, but I know I don't want it in my flintlocks barrel. Think about it,
the fine antiques that have survived for hundreds of years were cleaned with water, as were the military muskets, and rifles of the past were cleaned with water.
Hungry Horse
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I've been in this sport a long time, and have never heard a lock called a roller lock, that wasn't built by our own Bob Roller. I've heard the term roller frizzen used to dicribe a frizzen that either has its own roller, or rolls on one attached to the frizzen spring. I own a Lehigh antique smooth rifle that has a roller on the end of the mainspring, and through all the research, and conversations with knowledgeable collectors, and restorers, nobody ever called it a roller lock. My guess would be that when this lock is removed it will have Bob's mark in it.
Hungry Horse
HH,
Thank you.If it IS my lock it will have "Roller" in a semi circle and if made after July of 1989 it have USA
in the semi circular name.Anything before then will be dated.
Bob Roller
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Mr. Ducet: for the sake of clarification, are you able to convince the owner of this lovely piece to show us the inside of the lock? I too have never heard of a lock referred to as a 'roller' lock unless it was made by Robert Roller. I concur that the plate, cock frizzen and spring are Durs Egg L & R products, but Bob rebuilt any number of these with his internals. Our curiosity requires satisfaction, if the owner will oblige.
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To answer the question about the Windex - the main ingredient is Ammonia - which helps dissolve Black Powder apparently.
The Lock is indeed a L&R Durs Egg only. He has removed it and knows the builder very, very well. This same builder is the one building my rifle currently. The L&R was re-worked and tuned by the builder and engraved by another local fella named Larry.
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To answer the question about the Windex - the main ingredient is Ammonia - which helps dissolve Black Powder apparently.
The Lock is indeed a L&R Durs Egg only. He has removed it and knows the builder very, very well. This same builder is the one building my rifle currently. The L&R was re-worked and tuned by the builder and engraved by another local fella named Larry.
Ok,that should settle the question about the lock. It's been quite a while
since I made one of these Durs Egg locks and I still have parts for a left handed
one but doubt if it will ever get built because of the cost of the parts and labor
on the mechanism.
Bob Roller
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Roller.....on the hammer spring ; )
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Yes, this percussion conversion from flint, is English marked. And,converted no doubt by the original maker, since I had to remove the lock from the gun to detect the plugs filling the extra holes for frizzen, and spring. The conversion was maticulasly done, very much in keeping with the rest of the gun. I was shocked when I saw a small wheel on the mainspring. I would love to see what this lock looked like when new. Sadly the gun is unmarked other than by the barrel maker on the bottom of the barrel.
Hungry Horse
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What a fine rifle and video. I do have some safety concerns especially about using the rifle as a leaning post, hands and head over the muzzle.
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Roller.....on the hammer spring ; )
These roller bearing springs were never common but they must have helped but speaking
from the view of a lock maker I am certain the stirrup or linked mainspring is easier to make.
I have one of these springs Wes Kindig gave me years ago to study but continued the
unlinked sliding mainspring until 1970 when I switched to the linked type.
Willie Cochran did a good job of keeping the old design alive for years.
Also again,I have NEVER heard of any lock being referred to as a "roller"lock as pertaining
to an unusual mainspring system.
Bob Roller
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Roller.....on the hammer spring ; )
These roller bearing springs were never common but they must have helped but speaking
from the view of a lock maker I am certain the stirrup or linked mainspring is easier to make.
I have one of these springs Wes Kindig gave me years ago to study but continued the
unlinked sliding mainspring until 1970 when I switched to the linked type.
Willie Cochran did a good job of keeping the old design alive for years.
Also again,I have NEVER heard of any lock being referred to as a "roller"lock as pertaining
to an unusual mainspring system.
Bob Roller
Bob,
I was just guessing he was referring to the feature of a roller on the hammer (frizzen) as being a "roller lock". I have heard people use this term in casual conversation.
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I was just guessing he was referring to the feature of a roller on the hammer (frizzen) as being a "roller lock". I have heard people use this term in casual conversation.
Likewise, I have heard the same thing. Not everyone knows lock nomenclature. Also, in deference to Bob, not everyone in the overall domain of muzzleloading knows what a "Roller lock" is.
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Where's Mr. Gusler when you need him? LOL...I've heard the frizzen called a hen, a steel, a battery, a hammer, a pan cover...Mr. G. would have the most common term used in the last quarter of the 18th C., in America at least. In England, in 1820 though, likely by a different name.
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Cool.
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How much does the rifle weigh and how long is the barrel? It's simply beautiful and must be a joy to hunt deer with. I would also love to see what the sights look like on that rifle.
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Where's Mr. Gusler when you need him? LOL...I've heard the frizzen called a hen, a steel, a battery, a hammer, a pan cover...Mr. G. would have the most common term used in the last quarter of the 18th C., in America at least. In England, in 1820 though, likely by a different name.
"Frizzen" seems to be a word corrupted by English speakers from the old German "Fressen",
something being chewed on.
Bob Roller
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Looking at this topic, I would like to add that an Italian firm "Antonio Zoli" made a similar rifle in the early 1980's in percussion.
They made it for a short time as I would suspect there was no a lot of interest, as it was not a "Hawken" which was the rage of the time.
Watching the video and seeing the fine rifle, I was surprised to see the similarity.
The Zoli went so far as to include set triggers, color case hardened nose cap, butt plate, and patch box.
The stock is walnut (American?) and fine checkering on wrist and forearm.
Caliber is .50, and sports a buckhorn rear sight, and a low and small front sight.
I have had it for several years, 10+ and never got around to shoot it. :o
If I could post pictures, I would, but I am too much of a knuckle head to do so.
Thank you for posting the information and video.
Fred
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What a great looking rifle. Can you tell us the cal. and load used?