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General discussion => Contemporary Longrifle Collecting => Topic started by: PPatch on June 01, 2017, 04:32:17 PM
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No. 356, and looking good Mike! Looks like you only have about 44 more to build before you can go fishing. :D
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Take me with you...
dave
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No. 356, and looking good Mike! Looks like you only have about 44 more to build before you can go fishing. :D
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Take me with you...
dave
I have two shoulder surgeries to get through this year before I do much of anything else...even fishing. ??? Got one on the bench I'm trying to finish up before the 15th...going to be close!
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Off topic but hopefully you have an excellent surgeon. Wish u a fast recovery!! Don't over do thing's for awhile after. Oldtravler
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Off topic but hopefully you have an excellent surgeon. Wish u a fast recovery!! Don't over do thing's for awhile after. Oldtravler
I am off topic as well (since Mike is a gun builder this fits into the gunbuilder forum) but I have seen too many of my friends that DID NOT listen to the Dr because they felt like they could do things he said they should not do. They are paying the price for their disobedience! We are too old, too fragile to spend that much money and time then not follow instructions!
Dennis
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You guys are as bad as everybody I know here at home....looks like no fun for sure now.... :P Yea, I'll do as the Doc says as I'm not going to go through all of this with out being 100% cured in the end.
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Hi Mike,
Beautiful gun and best of luck healing.
dave
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They put screws and a brad whatever that is in my left shoulder back in 2008. Took a while to get over that an the rehab was no fun at all. Im pretty much good to go now except I still cant do much with it when I try anything over my head such as raise the shop doors where I work. I hope yours goes mucho better. Good luck Mike
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I want Mike's operations to go well, so he will add me to his backorder list!
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Oh man, surgery, and two of them. Sorry to hear that Mike. My best to you for complete success! I underwent back surgery a couple of years ago and I'm about 98.5 percent the way I was before the injury, which is good in my opinion and life is much better without the pain. The healing takes longer than you might believe, you just have to allow your body time to nit itself back together - there is no getting around that.
dave
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Mike, I had rotator cuff/bicep tendon re-attachement surgery in March and am coming along very well. In physio now, doing my homework exercieses and obeying the doc tor and therapist to the letter. By this fall, I will be able to draw my longbow again, for a full season indoors. Man, am I ever looking forward to doing that - without pain! So I wish you a full recovery. The hardest part has been to not get involved in things that I know will wreck the fix. But my friends have been understanding and don't let me screw things up. You do the same.
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I have two appointments next week. One with the Doc that's doing the work to fill me in on the final details....I have a few questions for him. He wants to snip one of the bicep tendons (I'm not sure exactly why yet) and I have the choice of letting it dandle unattached or screwing it down on the front side of the ball joint. Leaving it unattached will leave me with an odd looking bicep muscle.... :o I'm wanting to screw it down, seems to make sense to me, just one of the things I need to find out about.
Second appointment is to test me for nicotine, yes they insisted I stop smoking before they would operate on me. I only smoke one cigar a day during nice weather, not at all when It's cold outside. They seem shocked I already stopped smoking and didn't have any problems doing so. I explained I smoke cigars because I WANT to, not because I HAVE to. ::) I think it's some sort of evil plot against stogies.... ;)
Anyway, thanks for all of your concern, it really means something to me. They tell me since recovery time is around three months my tendonitis in my hands/wrists/forearms will have time to heal up....I'm looking forward to that. Doc says I've worn myself out... ???
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So far no surgery for me but blood tests show high triglycerides (what ever THAT is).
I got a prescription for something that was supposed to lower them and it killed my sense of taste
and after taking 25 of them I tossed them out and modified my eating. No more pig meat of any kind
and more fruits and vegetables.Food still tastes odd and if this is a permanent condition I will consider
legal action against the maker of this stuff and the pharmacy that should have given me a list of known side effects.
Being cut on is different that getting poisoned so pay attention to the surgeons advice and heal up ASAP.
I smoked for 20 years and when we got engaged I laid them down and had no problems so apparently it was habit
and not addiction. The cost of cigarettes now would finance a house or a nice car. 48 years tobacco free and don't miss
it.
Cigarettes are a blot on the whole human race and a man is a monkey
with one in his face.Here's my definition,believe me dear brothers,a fire
on one end and a fool on the other. I think this was a verse from a country
music novelty song from the 1940's or 50's.
Bob Roller
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I smoked for 20 years and when we got engaged I laid them down and had no problems so apparently it was habit
and not addiction. The cost of cigarettes now would finance a house or a nice car. 48 years tobacco free and don't miss
it.
Cigarettes are a blot on the whole human race and a man is a monkey
with one in his face.Here's my definition,believe me dear brothers,a fire
on one end and a fool on the other. I think this was a verse from a country
music novelty song from the 1940's or 50's.
Bob Roller
I quit 2010 after using since the mid 60's. Cold turkey quit. It was easy quitting. I quit every night just before I got in bed. Staying quit is the hard part. It's been 7 years and I still crave the stuff. Even though I struggle with not smoking, I'm totally happy being a non-smoker and don't ever plan on giving in to the cravings.
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Mike, Best of luck on your recovery!!! When you said " the doctor said I`ve worn myself out" I know what you mean. The first couple hundred guns I built were all done "traditional, by hand" and, when I got out of bed it took 30 minutes to straighten my arms out, Knots in my elbows you could feel. I now rough off everything I can with power tools . I know, I know , here come the naysayers but, there`s a ton of difference in building a couple rifles a year for a hobby and doing it everyday. Back in the days when they had no choice the people mostly died young compared to us now, I`d like to be able to feed myself , or tie my shoes when I`m 70 if I make it that far. BEST LUCK MIKE!!! If I can do ANYTHING for you please give me a shout , I`d be glad to do so. Nate
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I smoked for 20 years and when we got engaged I laid them down and had no problems so apparently it was habit
and not addiction. The cost of cigarettes now would finance a house or a nice car. 48 years tobacco free and don't miss
it.
Cigarettes are a blot on the whole human race and a man is a monkey
with one in his face.Here's my definition,believe me dear brothers,a fire
on one end and a fool on the other. I think this was a verse from a country
music novelty song from the 1940's or 50's.
Bob Roller
I quit 2010 after using since the mid 60's. Cold turkey quit. It was easy quitting. I quit every night just before I got in bed. Staying quit is the hard part. It's been 7 years and I still crave the stuff. Even though I struggle with not smoking, I'm totally happy being a non-smoker and don't ever plan on giving in to the cravings.
Keb,
It's a journey,one day at a time.We had a friend who smoked like a locomotive and his heart
attack was due to his heavy smoking and he died of kidney failure on 16 April 2015.
Every passing day is one more day minus nicotine and all the other toxins in tobacco. That bit
of absurd poetry I posted may be more truth than humor.
Bob Roller
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Mike,
Good luck on what you're getting ready for. Been there and done that, a couple of times. Listen to the Doc and only do it once. Saw a program on WOSU TV last night about your "craftsmanship", nice spread.
Mark
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Good luck Mike!
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Who will fill in as ALR curmugeon while Mr. Brooks is benched?
Dave Gross
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Mike: I suggest you go for the re-attachment of the bicep tendon. My Dr. explained that he installed a 7 mm stud in the bone that has an eye to which, with super strong suture material he sewed the tendon down. He said he made it extra tight, which I can attest has made it more difficult to get my full range of motion, but I'm getting there, as so will you.
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Who will fill in as ALR curmugeon while Mr. Brooks is benched?
Dave Gross
I can still type one handed. :P
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Mike: I suggest you go for the re-attachment of the bicep tendon. My Dr. explained that he installed a 7 mm stud in the bone that has an eye to which, with super strong suture material he sewed the tendon down. He said he made it extra tight, which I can attest has made it more difficult to get my full range of motion, but I'm getting there, as so will you.
I agree. I don't see any reason why I wouldn't want that tendon reattached. I asked what the consequences of leaving it dangle there. He stated I wouldn't be able to work above my head.... I thought that was part of the reason I was doing all of this. :o Anyway, he said he screws the tendon down in a new place. The one draw back is about 40% of the people that have had this done have pain where the screw is for about a year, the pain is controllable with Advil. I'll be taking my chances with the screw. ;)
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Good luck, Mike. I'm sure you will have a fine recovery. Bob
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This sounds much more serious than I thought.
Sorry for the earlier joke.
Best wishes for an excellent outcome and smooth recovery.
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Best wishes, Mike, for a successful outcome and speedy recovery.
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This sounds much more serious than I thought.
Sorry for the earlier joke.
Best wishes for an excellent outcome and smooth recovery.
No offense was taken. You might be a little late to get on my list anyway, I quit taking orders a couple months ago, I'll only be building guns about three more years and I think I'm booked out at least that far. I don't want to make promises for guns I'll never get to.
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...gives new meaning to the phrase "pull yourself together!" eh?
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...gives new meaning to the phrase "pull yourself together!" eh?
Taylor made a funny... I'm laughing! ;)
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If you'd have tendons and such flopping around unattached how in the heck are you supposed to set the hook on those fish?!?! ???
Good luck with it, get it straight before deer season.
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Sending you all my best wishes and many prayers for a speedy recovery from your surgery.
Lee
tgrn
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Here is a wish for a successful surgery and rapid recovery!
I have had a biceps reattached many years ago after tearing it off in the gym. The results were very successful and I am happy about the decision to reattach.
The progress made in medicine and surgery in the apst 2 decades is amazing. I tore my quadriceps off my knee with the tendon completely ripped apart. 20 years ago, I would be relegated to a cane or crutches. Now, after the reattachment, I can walk a half mile and I am progressing every day. (lesson: don't try to act like you are 35 while in the gym, particularly when you are 70)
A bovine derived aortic valve keeps my blood flowing so I can go shooting with my muzzleloaders. A few decades ago, aortic stenosis as severe as I had doomed a person to 50% mortality in a year and 80% in 2 years. My valve could last 14 or 15 years.
Shoulder surgery has also come a long way. I have watched people recover from shoulder surgery when I go to physical therapy for my knee. PT has improved dramatically along with the surgery.
Ron
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Who will fill in as ALR curmugeon while Mr. Brooks is benched?
Dave Gross
I can still type one handed. :P
Yep,
He'll only have the use of "one middle finger" instead of two!!! :o
Wishing you a speedy recovery Mike. ;D
Cheers,
Smoketown
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Best wishes on that upcoming surgery, Mike. I had two major shoulder surgeries back in '97 or '98 about a year, or a little more, apart. There was 6 months of "passive" therapy by my therapist, and a little later my wife helped me through it. Each time I had to sleep in a recliner chair for a couple of months because it was much too painful to even try and lie down. Biceps were torn loose, rotator cuff torn along with bone overgrowth. I do hope yours isn't anywhere near that bad. I was boxing a lot back then and my wife claimed that's what caused the damage.
You MUST do as the doctor says, believe me because I found out. Always been a good patient, too. Take care, good luck and a quick recovery my friend.
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Hey Mike,
Just heard about this, best wishes my friend and a speedy recovery!
Ed in Atlanta.
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Best of luck,you will bounce back just fine and wonder why you didn't do it sooner as far as pain free range of motion goes.Pay attention to your body as far as the over do it after rehab,we ain't spring chickens anymore and our bodys don't heal up as quick as our brains think they can
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Best wishes on that upcoming surgery, Mike. I had two major shoulder surgeries back in '97 or '98 about a year, or a little more, apart. There was 6 months of "passive" therapy by my therapist, and a little later my wife helped me through it. Each time I had to sleep in a recliner chair for a couple of months because it was much too painful to even try and lie down. Biceps were torn loose, rotator cuff torn along with bone overgrowth. I do hope yours isn't anywhere near that bad. I was boxing a lot back then and my wife claimed that's what caused the damage.
You MUST do as the doctor says, believe me because I found out. Always been a good patient, too. Take care, good luck and a quick recovery my friend.
I'm getting the left shoulder done June 15 and the right done around or about Nov. 15. Doc asked if I could throw a ball overhand. I told him not since '79....He gave me the Spock eyebrow over that one... :P
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Mike,
Best of luck on your surgery and take doctor and physical therapists directions to heart! Dodging lower back surgery myself and seem to be making progress by doing my physical therapist's core exercise routine. Take it easy and heal fast as we will miss your wisdom and humor on This forum. You are still younger than most of us and have lots of builds left in you. Just think on your next build and take the time out to cook up something special for yourself! Good luck and prayers are with you.
elkhorne
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Mike,
Best of luck on your surgery and take doctor and physical therapists directions to heart! Dodging lower back surgery myself and seem to be making progress by doing my physical therapist's core exercise routine. Take it easy and heal fast as we will miss your wisdom and humor on This forum. You are still younger than most of us and have lots of builds left in you. Just think on your next build and take the time out to cook up something special for yourself! Good luck and prayers are with you.
elkhorne
Thanks. Things are moving at a rapid pace this week trying to get everything done before I become the one armed man. I made another gun in the past couple weeks and it looks pretty likely It will be ready to ship before I go under the knife. Only the 3rd gun for '17, I've been really slowed down. I have about 10 fence posts I have to dig in the grape arbor today and tomorrow as well. What really screwed up the whole process is the fact that my back decided to go out about 3 1/2 weeks ago, been nearly completely crippled when I needed to be really busy. It's just about fixed up right again.
These Docs are making this a more serious deal than I figured it would be. The got something called an "ice machine" they're going to hook me up on when I get home. Some kind of cuff or sleeve that goes over my shoulder and pumps ice cold water around my shoulder. supposed to use that thing for an incredible 7 to 10 days! :o This is evidently due to the fact that they're actually going to cut the end of my collar bones off that are covered with arthritis. :o And, they say I'll be on some sort of super duper pain pills for anywhere from 3 days to 4 weeks, so no driving. ??? None of this sounds very fun and I have to do the whole thing over on my other shoulder in November. Old age, it ain't for sissy's I guess. :P
One good bit of news, Doc says I'll likely be back to work in 8 weeks instead of 12which makes me pretty happy. :)
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heavy duty pain pills=opiates,be careful with that $#@*.While many of us are just fine taking those things and when your done your done.I also know a few that didn't have the right mindset and let it take hold of them,one monkey you don't want anywheres near your back!Not trying to be your father,your a big boy,best of luck Mike,PS,posting under the influence isn't a crime yet,let us know how your doing ;)
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I had the whole enchilada done on my right shoulder a year and a half ago. My only problem was caused by trying to push rehab, my bull headedness caused me great pain and a month or so of letting stuff "calm down" before I could resume rehab. I had my collar bone ground down as well.
I was on a passive motion machine for a month, 4 hours a day plus my normal rehab exercises, the whole routine took me 9 hours a day with a break between sets.
Anyway, it took 6 months for the pain to subside to tolerable levels, a year to start feeling normal and a year and a half to feel like I had a brand new shoulder.
I don't like narcotics so I toughed it out on Tylenol and Aleve, it was a rough ride.
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I had the whole enchilada done on my right shoulder a year and a half ago. My only problem was caused by trying to push rehab, my bull headedness caused me great pain and a month or so of letting stuff "calm down" before I could resume rehab. I had my collar bone ground down as well.
I was on a passive motion machine for a month, 4 hours a day plus my normal rehab exercises, the whole routine took me 9 hours a day with a break between sets.
Anyway, it took 6 months for the pain to subside to tolerable levels, a year to start feeling normal and a year and a half to feel like I had a brand new shoulder.
I don't like narcotics so I toughed it out on Tylenol and Aleve, it was a rough ride.
HA! Now that gives me confidence.......NOT! ???
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Mike I had both shoulders operated on 10 yrs ago. 6 months apart for each one.
Worst I experienced was the therpy after the procedure. It sure was worth the pain to be able get back to how it should be. Best thing I ever had done.
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I'm really glad I have a high tolerance for pain and it has served me well. Not trying to dampen your spirits, Mike, but years after the surgeries I throw like a girl; no, not those girls, just girls in general. :(
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Mike I had my shoulder worked on and bicep tendon trimmed and moved down and reattached and the operation went really well. They had me on a machine at home right away moving my shoulder and it was not too painful at all. I highly recommend that because I think it kept the rehab shorter. Then I went to physical therapy for a few weeks and of course had a list of therapy to do at home. I did all of the work religiously-- I did not miss even one. It took about a half year to get back to about 80 percent and another half year to get to probably 98 percent. I actually kept up the PT regimen for another year and I think today I am pretty close to 100%. Probably not as strong as I was, but who is? My range of motion is 100%.
I had a very good rehab experience--- it was painful at times but not nearly as bad as I was expecting. I think a knee is a lot harder to rehabilitate that the shoulder.
best to ya.
Ken
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Mike, hope all goes well with your surgery. Last year in May I had pretty much the same surgery and outcome as Ken. Do what the doc says and I'm sure you will do fine.
Percy
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Mike one surgery is a piece of cake. It's the second, third, fourth an fifth that cause yeah trouble.
Make sure you have a good P.T. Not some ding dong that says " No pain no gain ! " Don't ask how I know. Wish you the best in recovery! Oldtravler
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Mark, we'll all be thinking about you tomorrow and wishing you a speedy recovery. Keep us posted. Bob
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Hey Mike,
Just saw this thread.
Good luck on the upcoming surgery.
Here's to a quick recovery.
Be patient and don't push things too soon.
Jeff
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Sorry, Mike . Smart phone thought I was talking to Mark.......Bob
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Mike, I had rotator cuff work done on my right shoulder 15 years ago, then about 6-7 years ago I started to have issues with that shoulder. Doctor wanted to do that same thing to me, just snip it and let it hang. Well, I wasn't too keen on that plus the doctor wasn't gonna do the work, one of his students would do it with him supervising. I ended up going to a sports doctor who wanted to try "another" cortisone shot before doing anything. Well after getting the shot, I ended up ripping that tenon/muscle (heavy lifting at work) and my arm became useful again, basically saved the cost of having surgery. They told me that Brent Farve of Green Bay Packers had this type of surgery and was able to finish out his career. There are a few things I can't do or struggle with, but on the whole it's fine. Get it done, do the rehab and get back to building rifles. Good luck.
Bob
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Waitin patiently for a report on Mike's surgery. I hope you are doing OK Mike
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Mike will probably not be feeling too social for a few days, and having the arm in a sling to immobilize it will mean one finger typing with the good arm for some time.
Mike: just know that you are in our thoughts these days. We all wish you a full recovery but know it will not be fast.
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thanks all, still alive and healing up. i'll catch you all up in a day or two! :)
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Good to hear from you Mike. Hope all is going well. Tim
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Great, just great. Take it easy. Bob
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Good to hear that you are through the operation,
Dennis
thanks all, still alive and healing up. i'll catch you all up in a day or two! :)
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Glad you got thru the operation OK,hope all went well
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Great to hear you are OK - Rest, Heal and mend....
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staying awake is the big challenge right now, blasted opiods..... ::) i sleep about 18 hrs a day.
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i sleep about 18 hrs a day.
Enjoy it while you can. I am lucky to be able to sleep 6 hrs usually 5 1/2 is about it.
Dennis
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Well, here's an update. I'm WAY ahead with my physical therapy, gots lots of movement. Went to see the Doc yesterday, he was very impressed.... :P.untill he started asking me how I got myself so far ahead. THERE WILL BE NO MORE USING MY ARM FOR ANYTHING! VEBOTTEN! Anyway, I haven't screwed anything up, but I'm supposed to slow down and take it easy.,...I'm a little bored with taking it easy..... ::) Looks like no matter how well I do he's not going to let me go back to work untill the 15th of August...bummer. :P
I got alot of junk to sell, maybe I better get on that for a while. Anybody need any junk? ;)
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Anybody need any junk? ;)
Silly question to most men, you know that one man's junk is another man's treasure :D
Glad you are doing well, just listen to the Dr then you can hold him responsible for any problems down the road, if you don't listen then the "warranty" is null and void :)
Dennis
ps did you get the photos I sent you?
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Like I said; I set myself back at least a month, endured a lot of pain and had to have cortisone shots to continue rehab after pushing it too hard.
Everyone I know who has had shoulder surgery has strained their shoulder at some point during rehab and were sure they were badly injured to the extent of having more surgery. I did, it was sure a sinking feeling to think you had to go back to square one. In all cases we got over our carelessness but had we listened to the Dr none of it would have happened in the first place.
A funny thing about having my collar bone ground off; I went into the bathroom to get a drink of water about 3am, I picked up the dixie cup full of water and aimed it at my mouth and hit the bottom of my chin, repeatedly. Reconfiguring my arm, shoulder, collarbone and some nerve damage made my aim off, it took me a week or so of retraining myself to hit my mouth with a cup in the dark. I didn't have a problem if I could see the cup and direct it.
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My shoulder situation was really depressing before I had that same surgery---I know what you are going thru Mike. Nw my shoulder is great and I am so grateful to the surgeon and the PT folk. They changed my quality of life for the better.
BUT I remember trying to drive too early--- it hurt like $#*! when I grabbed for the wheel suddenly and I was so scared that I had damaged it. They do say if it tears out they cannot fix it again, so be careful what you do-- follow their directions and it works--be patient.
K
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Mike glad you are doing well. Keep doing what your Doc says. Get well! Oldtravler
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Mike, take it from one who knows too well about healing and shoulder surgeries in particular. BE A GOOD PATIENT! You'll be back to normal at least a year faster than I was....twice! Best of luck and quick healing.
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Glad to hear that you are progressing well. It gives me some some encouragement because I am facing a shoulder replacement surgery or possible two.
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I dredged this thread up for an update. How's that shoulder, Mike? I'm gonna be talking to a Dr. about my shoulder problems.
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I dredged this thread up for an update. How's that shoulder, Mike? I'm gonna be talking to a Dr. about my shoulder problems.
I have full rotation with very little pain. It's still very weak. Going to do the other one oct/nov of '18. Not looking forward to it. I'd suggest physical therapy before you opt for surgery. Surgery is a last resort in my opinion. At no time before the operation did anyone say how painful and disabling the procedure is. They said it would take 8-10 weeks for recovery, my last PT session was at 18 weeks out.
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Mike,
Glad to hear you have very little pain. Hopefully you will soon regain the strength.
I understand telling folks to do PT and not do surgery until you have to but I am not sure I agree about putting it off. I would agree if you are a young person but us older folks need to consider our age. If it's a condition that needs surgery its best to take care of it now rather than when we get older. The older we are the more we are affected by major surgery, much harder to bounce back.
The surgeon's that I have experience with have been good about telling me whether or not surgery is needed and if it needs to be done now or delayed. I know a couple of people that delayed needed surgery and in one case when he finally decided he had to get the surgery done the surgeon told him if had been able to operate on him a few years earlier he could have given him much better out come. The other perdon, a lady has been in pain for years and is being told she is too old to stand the surgery now!
Dennis
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All very true. That's all I heard about through the entire ordeal, "Well you are getting older". ::) Just so happened to turn 60 right when I had this done....coincidence? ???
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Sixty ain't old. you're just a pup. But then again it's not the years it's the mileage.