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General discussion => Gun Building => Topic started by: Ian Pratt on December 09, 2018, 04:32:20 AM
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A loss for words. I would love to sit by a fireplace for an hour or so just looking at that thing from every angle.
The finish and aging are just heart warming.
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Nothing short of NICE!!!!! Quality people produce quality products.
Great job Ian
StevenV
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What a Wonderful rifle, Ian!
So soft and warm looking. Beautiful used look. It Is one of the nicest I have ever seen.
That lock blends in beautifully. Perfectly placed!
My hat's off to you my friend!!
I could look at that rifle for hours.
Highest regards,
Richard.
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Is the muzzle coned or just filed?
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Another fantastic piece of art, Ian. I always look forward to your next work. Thanks for sharing.
Bob
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Great piece as always.
I love the carving behind the cheek piece.
Jeff
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Wow, that is special.
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Not for hours...I could look at that rifle for the rest of my life! Wonderful is an understatement!
Greg
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That rifle really shines, Ian! You captured the look to the max.
Curtis
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The rifle consumed my thoughts and I forgot to ask if you could show a closer look at your muzzle treatment and maybe a short rundown on how you did it. Thanks for sharing this great looking rifle with us all.
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Yumm.............
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VERY NICE.!!! Nuthing to not be impressed by, you simply got it...
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I can only ditto all the previous comments. Grand Rifle!
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Another home run. Love your work, Ian!
Ed
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Lovely work Ian, you are a very talented young man. Absolutely gorgeous.
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Another Beauty Bud, absolutely love the finish, all around.
Tim
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Well I assume you hand forged all the mounts, what about the barl? Calliber? Maker? Round bottom riflling, or is that just the muzzle filing I see? Lock pedigree?
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Beautiful!
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I wish my gun builds would look like that. What a beautiful gun! All of us would like to have one of those. I'm thinking I have some work to do in the future!
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Very nice!
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I also really like the extra work you did on the flared ramrod pipe, Ian!
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You definitely have the Artists eye and mind.You have a real Ian Pratt thing goin on now, real cutting edge stuff. I can't asses this one properly yet as I still haven't got over the two I saw at the CLA. :P
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Fantastic rifle. The finish and aging are absolutely perfect. The architecture and hardware are betond your normally excellent work. Congratulations on what should become a master piece.
Mark
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Ian another great rifle showing your remarkable skills. But just do us one favor..! Make a slight mistake once in awhile. So the rest of us can know you
actually are capable of a boo boo !!! Oldtravler
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She's a stunning beauty. If not for your name on top, you could have convinced me it was from 200+ years ago.
That rifle simply screams, "Let's go hunt and spend time in the woods." A man could do a whole lot worse.
Thank you for sharing that one with us. God Bless, Marc
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It is a great gun! I am definitely jealous of your trigger guards. The iron work is fantastic; skilled and artistic.
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Can't add much to what has already been said, just a beautiful rifle.
Percy
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Another Great Rifle Ian!
Gus :)
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Thanks everybody for the really nice comments on the rifle. The owner is very happy with it and I have to say he is one of the most patient people I have ever met - several years ago when his turn came up he unfortunately had to put it on hold, and when he was ready to go again it took way longer than I had planned to get to it.
David the barrel was made by Bobby Hoyt, .54 caliber with radius bottom rifling and the lock is a Chambers Early Germanic modified a bit. Apart from some cosmetic changes and minor reshaping, I opened up the pan and replaced the frizzen. I didn't recognize the one I grabbed out of my parts bucket so I can't tell you what lock I had pulled it off, but it was oversize enough in the right directions that I could anneal it, cut away what I didn't need, fit, reshape and re - temper it. The face is wide enough that 7/8" flints can be used if they're a little on the square side.
Smylee, the rifle is gone so no other shots of the muzzle, but I did a version of what others have described here - the muzzle is coned , flushed off to remove the crown if the barrel was made with one, then the lands and grooves are slightly tipped with needle files
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Beautifully done! Overall, a quality, warm piece.
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You definitely have the Artists eye and mind.You have a real Ian Pratt thing goin on now, real cutting edge stuff. I can't asses this one properly yet as I still haven't got over the two I saw at the CLA. :P
Mike - thank you very much, very kind of you to say this.
Word from the rumor mill says you may be going to the CLA show again next year but this time you won't be in stealth mode. Can you confirm or deny this?
Your public awaits your response.
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Although I prefer the owner do the aging, that rifle is incredibly well 'aged'. I've not seen one of this calibre before! Well done, Ian - a masterpiece of art and execution.
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You definitely have the Artists eye and mind.You have a real Ian Pratt thing goin on now, real cutting edge stuff. I can't asses this one properly yet as I still haven't got over the two I saw at the CLA. :P
Mike - thank you very much, very kind of you to say this.
Word from the rumor mill says you may be going to the CLA show again next year but this time you won't be in stealth mode. Can you confirm or deny this?
Your public awaits your response.
Mike’s lodging arrangements are the same as last time! That’s a start.
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You definitely have the Artists eye and mind.You have a real Ian Pratt thing goin on now, real cutting edge stuff. I can't asses this one properly yet as I still haven't got over the two I saw at the CLA. :P
Mike - thank you very much, very kind of you to say this.
Word from the rumor mill says you may be going to the CLA show again next year but this time you won't be in stealth mode. Can you confirm or deny this?
Your public awaits your response.
Yes, looks like I'll be there.
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Totally interesting from one end to the other.
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A beautiful rifle. I really like the carving. Is it done in a particular style, or were you influenced by a maker, or school??
Thanks,
Bill
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Come on guys he didn't make that! Just look at it....it must be 240 years old ;) I'd like to take a trip in your time machine next time too!
Beautiful!
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I've gone back and looked at this multiple times.
Definitely one that I'd like to hold and study.
Jeff
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I have done the same, Mr. Talbert. Not only is the architecture grand, but I like the artwork. Very flowing and it really does pull it together as one piece. The art captures an older taste, which is harder and harder to do these days with our modern tastes. I have tried with my artwork to get the same feeling, but I feel it is always lacking. I think Mr. Pratt comes as close as most I have seen.
Matt
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das ist eine shone arbeit!
The carving behind the cheek is special.
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das ist eine shone arbeit!
The carving behind the cheek is special.
JA! Alt Deutsche Kunstfertigheit aus Amerika in 2018.*
Yes! Old German finished art work from America in 2018*
Bob Roller
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Lovely rifle. Holding it must make you feel like you're stepping back in time.
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Pure beauty just pure beauty.
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How do you get the dark edges around the stock? I would like to do that to one im getting ready to finish.
Thanks
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Wow! Don't know what else to say Ian. That is truly outstanding. I envy the owner.
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That rifle has "the look" I have often dreamed of. They may get fancier, but they get no better.
Please tell me, does that rifle have a TOE PLATE or METAL on the end of the SLIDING BOX LID??
Merry Christmas to all
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Thank you again guys for the very kind words, the gun's owner would be very pleased to hear all of this!
That rifle has "the look" I have often dreamed of. They may get fancier, but they get no better.
Please tell me, does that rifle have a TOE PLATE or METAL on the end of the SLIDING BOX LID??
Merry Christmas to all
No toe plate or cover at the end of the box lid. Toe plate would of course be unusual on guns of the period that this one is supposed to belong to, but a cover on the end of the box lid would be expected. Celebrate the unusual !
How do you get the dark edges around the stock? I would like to do that to one im getting ready to finish.
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Daryl I got your message asking this same question but I'm glad you asked here, might spur some conversation and ideas. There may not be enough space on the internet for me to describe how I do that. Ok, I admit I may be exaggerating slightly, but there are so many variables that affect how I approach a finish like this that there's just no way to put it in a nutshell or offer a recipe that will work in all cases. I go into a project with as clear a vision as I can possibly develop of the end result and everything that happens from there until the end is an effort to keep things on track. I don't have a standard finish regimen, I do a lot of experimenting and rarely do the same thing twice. Things are done in layers and each step effects the appearance of everything that has happened up to that point, and the only way to know what might work is to understand what you're hoping to achieve and then experiment constantly.
It's really cool that you want to try and achieve this kind of effect , so I'll offer you a couple suggestions that may help you get started. A simple way to add some darkened areas to the stock is to use some bone black or other dry black pigment - this was something that Mark Silver showed me years ago and I did variations of it on a few guns. What mark was doing was taking a dry fan brush and lightly dusting a small amount of bone black around the edges of relief carved elements. This is done typically when using an oil finish and is applied while a coat is still tacky. It doesn't take much and it really makes the carving pop. Marks suggested that while the bone black was a powder, it was just abrasive enough to where it would kind of bite into the finish when brushed around.
You can use this same technique to darken areas of the stock, in fact some builders use a fair amount of it mixing it with the finish on the stock almost like making paint. This takes some practice and knowing how much of each to use - too much finish and you have a smeared, finger streaked mess, too much bone black and not much of anything permanent happens. You also have to think about how you're going to top coat it and what with, because most things will lift some of the black as you apply over it.
Another technique that some use is the black spray paint method. I tried this on a few guns years ago but preferred other methods - but there are definitely builders who do this extremely well and get great looking results. Very generally, the idea is to stain and apply a coat of finish, then spray with flat black paint, remove most of it , then finish. I'm sure if you do a search here on the website you'll find more about it, or maybe somebody who does it will jump in here and offer some suggestions. Like with any other technique, there are right ways to do it.
A beautiful rifle. I really like the carving. Is it done in a particular style, or were you influenced by a maker, or school??
Thanks,
Bill
Bill - not intentionally a copy of a maker or school but I'm sure there are features that will remind people of something they are familiar with. I just kind of shot for something that might make you think 1770, offering enough familiarity to make it seem plausible but balancing that with a lot of unanswered questions. Often times the original guns of unknown origin are my favorites.
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That's a great gun, Beautiful Work!!
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Looks like an heirloom that has been taken care of and past down generations. Brings to mind the old phrase “ a thing of beauty is a joy forever”. Very well done. I like it immensely.