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Title: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff Target added
Post by: jdm on February 27, 2019, 05:09:24 PM
 This rifle is known as "Old Gabe" .Jim Holley bought this along with a bag & horn out of a bank in Limestone Tenn. in 1940. He paid five dollars for it. At sometime he had Hacker Martin do some work on it so he could shoot it in matches . It remained in the Holley collection until 1981 when Jerry Noble got it.
46 inch barrel 40 cal.
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Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: jdm on February 27, 2019, 05:20:00 PM

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Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: Cades Cove Fiddler on February 27, 2019, 05:22:51 PM
 8) 8) 8)... I'll take her,..... what ye askin',...??? .... regards,... Cades Cove Fiddler...
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: Molly on February 27, 2019, 05:35:54 PM
I'll give ya $1.00 more thaat CCF!
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: jdm on February 27, 2019, 05:48:16 PM
[quote author=Molly
I'll give ya $1.00 more thaat CCF!

Not as good of a story as yours Molly but it's true.
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: gibster on February 27, 2019, 06:02:39 PM
Jim - That's quite a rifle. Did it come to the Princeton show?  Wish I could have made it but to much on my plate at the moment. Hope to take an up close look at it someday.
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: jdm on February 27, 2019, 06:30:02 PM
Eric,  Missed you at the show. It's about the only time I see you anymore.  I got it at Princeton from Jerry. We had been talking about it for some time.  Also picked up a nice Lehigh pistol .
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: Shreckmeister on February 27, 2019, 06:55:48 PM
Can we see the Lehigh pistol?  Please.

Eric,  Missed you at the show. It's about the only time I see you anymore.  I got it at Princeton from Jerry. We had been talking about it for some time.  Also picked up a nice Lehigh pistol .
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: jdm on February 27, 2019, 08:40:44 PM
Rob, I have to take some pictures first. Thanks!
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: smokinbuck on February 27, 2019, 09:31:04 PM
Super old rifle, condition is outstanding.
Mark
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: realtorone on February 27, 2019, 10:48:18 PM
What a rifle. Just super.
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: gibster on February 28, 2019, 02:19:13 AM
Sounds like you had a good show. I know you like the Lehigh stuff.  I think that this one may need to move a little further south though. Just saying.......
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: Cades Cove Fiddler on February 28, 2019, 02:27:31 AM
 ;) ;)... thanx for the color pix,... I couldn't remember "Ol' Gabe" not having a butt-plate,... she is a beauty and a fine shooter,.... Now, if only Jerry would let me bring "Old Scaley" home, I wouldn't bother you about this 'un any more,.... !!!... regards,... Cades Cove Fiddler ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: jdm on February 28, 2019, 04:13:31 AM
Thanks guys, I'm glad you like the rifle . I was  happy to bring it home with me. There  is a target that goes with it . I don't have it yet but I'm looking foreword  to seeing it. I think Hacker Martin recut the barrel  . Hacker or Jim Holley made the ramrod.
Cades Cove I don't blame you " Old Scaley " would be welcome here also.  jim
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: jdm on February 28, 2019, 07:01:01 PM
I was  asked about the lock . It's R.  Ashmore .  The barrel is swamped.


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Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: Cades Cove Fiddler on February 28, 2019, 07:21:32 PM
..... Thanx for the extra photos, Jim,... you just have to appreciate those Unicoi County features that show so clearly on this rifle,.... she's a dandy,... !!! ..... will you have her in Knoxville,...? .... CCF,.....
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: scottmc on March 01, 2019, 01:41:45 AM
That is an absolute beauty!  Amazing condition for its age.  That Jom Holley must have had quite an arsenal at one time. 
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: jdm on March 01, 2019, 03:09:22 AM
..... Thanx for the extra photos, Jim,... you just have to appreciate those Unicoi County features that show so clearly on this rifle,.... she's a dandy,... !!! ..... will you have her in Knoxville,...? .... CCF,.....
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 I've been to the Knoxville show a few times and would like to go again but not this year. It's a twelve hour plus drive one way for me and hard to work in.   That's why I enjoy seeing pictures that you guys take .
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: jdm on March 01, 2019, 03:13:23 AM

That is an absolute beauty!  Amazing condition for its age.  That Jom Holley must have had quite an arsenal at
one time. 
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 It's my understanding that Jim Holley was one of the first to collect southern longrifles.
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: louieparker on March 01, 2019, 05:30:45 AM
A friend of mine bought a barrel from Holley.. It was marked in a silver plate, John Bull Warrior Mountain 18?? Can't remember the exact date.. Might have been 23 or 21 ??.. Always regretted not buying that barrel from George,  That was George Megall.. Him and Holley were long time friends in Chicago..
JDM as you know I like your rifle also....Louie
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: Fowler610 on March 16, 2019, 06:55:17 PM
Thank you for posting all the "Old Gabe" photos.  Just getting underway with my SMR kit as well as my education about rifles, architecture, finishes, wear patterns, etc.  From my newbies point of view, here's what caught my attention:
-The patina on the trigger guard
-The trigger adjustment screw-looks like it was shaped to allow adjustment by hand?
-Is it walnut?  It looks almost red up by the muzzle. 
Looking at it, you just want to put it in your hands.   JDM, thanks again for furthering my education. 
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: jdm on March 17, 2019, 01:49:30 AM
Fowler610 I'm glad you like seeing " Old Gabe" . I have certainly been having a lot of fun with it and am honored to have it . The stock is walnut with some dents and dings. There's a little wood replaced around the lock. More than likely don when Hacker was working on it . I believe he had the gun apart getting it ready for shooting matches. There's  not much dirt around the trigger s and trigger guard . A couple screws are replacements.  To me it's great to have some history with one of these old things. So often there is none.  For the first hundred years  plus or minus it probably didn't go very far from where it was made as it was found in the Bank in Limestone. The next forty years Holley had it and used it some. Jerry had it for the last almost forty. Jerry is a good friend . It's a bonus for me to have a rifle from his collection.  Forty years would be pushing for me so hopefully for  the next care taker it will have meaning for also. 
Here is a better picture of the trigger adjustment also the bag and horn set that was hanging on the wall with it.. Jim
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: jdm on March 17, 2019, 01:57:35 AM

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Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: D. Taylor Sapergia on March 17, 2019, 03:13:53 AM
Super close fitting on those triggers!!  Nice to see good workmanship in an old rifle.
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: Fowler610 on March 17, 2019, 06:26:49 AM
Thanks for the detail of the trigger guard.  I now get a sense of how well it was forged and a better idea about the shape of the adjustment screw.  DTS's comment about the close tolerances for the triggers is something I did not observe. I will pay attention to that detail going forward.   To have the pouch and horn that went with the rifle is pretty darn special.  Just adds to the amazing provenance.  In your care, that rifle is in good hands. 
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff target added
Post by: Collector on March 19, 2019, 02:51:20 AM

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Love the look of this rifle accompanied by it's original bag and horn.

Q.  Hard to discern, but is this a 'flat' horn in the photo?

I'd like, if possible, to see more photos of the bag and horn.

Thanks!
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: jdm on March 19, 2019, 05:31:58 AM
Yes ,this is a fairly big flat horn. I will try and get some better pictures of it for you in the next day or so. Jim
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: jdm on March 20, 2019, 02:16:22 AM
Collector here you go . Thanks for your interest.
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(https://i.ibb.co/FwTMKJn/IMG-0578.jpg) (https://ibb.co/T83SkRr)

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Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff Bag pictures added
Post by: trailerpark on March 20, 2019, 04:49:46 AM
Thank you for sharing.
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff Bag pictures added
Post by: Don Steele on March 20, 2019, 11:33:07 AM
Thank you for sharing.
Your pictures are fabulous. For those not aware...clicking on a picture opens it in a new window where you have the option to get a "Full resolution" version. Takes a few seconds...but definitely worth it. Once there, you have another option to expand the hi-res. pic. and really see a lot more detail.
I have to ask....was there anything in the bag when it came out of Limestone..??
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff Bag pictures added
Post by: Elnathan on March 20, 2019, 03:56:07 PM
I see a straight cut in the wood running from the rear of the triggerguard towards the toe. I am I right in believing that Mr. McInturff didn't scrape away his layout line there?
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff Bag pictures added
Post by: Mick C on March 20, 2019, 09:42:03 PM
Wow, what and amazing set!!  Beautiful rifle.
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff Bag pictures added
Post by: jdm on March 21, 2019, 12:21:40 AM
[quote author=Don Steele
Thank you for sharing.
 
I have to ask....was there anything in the bag when it came out of Limestone..??

I wish I could say it was full of great stuff.......... But the only thing in there  now is a hand written note that it was found with " Old Gabe"
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff Bag pictures added
Post by: jdm on March 21, 2019, 12:25:40 AM
[quote author=Elnathan link
I see a straight cut in the wood running from the rear of the triggerguard towards the toe. I am I right in believing that Mr. McInturff didn't scrape away his layout line there?

There is a  line  also along the top of the comb.


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Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff Bag pictures added
Post by: scottmc on March 21, 2019, 01:29:22 AM
I echo everyone's comment with thanks for sharing the pictures!  It's always good to see originals.  Do my eyes deceive me or is that one thick welt on the bag?
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff
Post by: Collector on March 21, 2019, 04:36:19 AM
jdm, Thanks!  Thought it was a flat horn with that thin butt plug facing, but photo angles can be deceiving.  Thin, simple and practical which suits the rifle it's paired with.  Thought it possible, but interesting to actually see one in an original grouping.  Changes the perspective of horns suitable to be paired with this type/school of longrifle.   

Collector here you go . Thanks for your interest.
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(https://i.ibb.co/09K9MVL/IMG-0584.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PWMWhzy)

(https://i.ibb.co/FwTMKJn/IMG-0578.jpg) (https://ibb.co/T83SkRr)

(https://i.ibb.co/4Tqpr85/IMG-0579.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jMNDXy1)
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff Bag pictures added
Post by: JamesT on March 26, 2019, 08:27:13 PM
Thanks for all the detailed photos of this rifle. Could you please tell me how the nose cap is attached? One rivet or two? Rivets made of iron or copper? Thanks
James
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff Bag pictures added
Post by: jdm on March 27, 2019, 02:04:25 AM
Looks  like iron to me. Heres a couple of pictures.
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Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff Bag pictures added
Post by: JamesT on March 27, 2019, 02:31:11 AM
Very good! Thanks for the close ups.
James
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff Bag pictures added
Post by: B.Barker on March 27, 2019, 05:28:40 AM
Neat old rifle thanks for sharing. I looked at this post before but my computer is hateful sometimes and won't load photo's.
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff Bag pictures added New target added
Post by: jdm on June 29, 2020, 11:17:44 PM
I don't mean to beat a dead horse but I just received  this target in the mail last week. It is one of the targets shot with  "Old Gabe" by Jim Holley. It was with  the gun ,bag& horn along with another paper target  when Jerry acquired  Mr. Holleys collection 1980.  I felt I should include it with this post  for those who have interest. 

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Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff Target added
Post by: mountainman70 on July 01, 2020, 03:50:44 AM
Thamks for the target. These old fellers can do it. Have a goodun,thanks, Dave F 8) 8)
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff Target added
Post by: JBJ on July 01, 2020, 04:22:03 PM
Really lovely to see an old piece is such great (shootable) condition. I don't have any idea about when it was last used but note the ramrod is significantly longer that the barrel. And striped to boot! Really a nice rifle!
J.B.
Title: Re: 'Old Gabe" Gabriel MCInturff Target added
Post by: Sequatchie Rifle on July 02, 2020, 06:23:16 AM
Perfect! Thanks for sharing it.