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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: Dave B on March 17, 2019, 07:42:01 AM

Title: Original set triggers
Post by: Dave B on March 17, 2019, 07:42:01 AM
I wanted to share an example of why some original set triggers wont work. I picked up this piece years ago and was disappointed that the triggers wouldn't work. I didn't feel comfortable at the time trying to take the gun apart and so it sat these last 2o yrs? Now I am old and don't know any better took the gun apart. Here's my problem.

(https://i.ibb.co/wKnprTb/20190316-210430-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4jb4gcD)

(https://i.ibb.co/6yPzZbc/20190316-210502-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BfZbPjH)

(https://i.ibb.co/ZcfVZZc/20190316-211448-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0YncwwY)

(https://i.ibb.co/zHFrvpg/20190316-211405-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BKGtMbJ)

I am impressed by the workmanship on these triggers. They work very crisply now.
Title: Re: Original set triggers
Post by: David R. Pennington on March 17, 2019, 02:12:30 PM
Thanks for sharing. What type rifle were they on? Interesting method for adjustment with the screw on the front trigger. Don’t remember seeing that before. Wondering if the dip in the bar is wear from sear contact or filed that way to gain proper clearance? Would like to see the rest of the rifle.
Title: Re: Original set triggers
Post by: Bob Roller on March 17, 2019, 04:13:20 PM
Thanks for sharing. What type rifle were they on? Interesting method for adjustment with the screw on the front trigger. Don’t remember seeing that before. Wondering if the dip in the bar is wear from sear contact or filed that way to gain proper clearance? Would like to see the rest of the rifle.

They look like they were in a fire and there may be no rifle left.
That front trigger control spring looks heavy and I remember
making a thicker than normal one for the Hoffman&Campbell
rifle Tom Dawson copied about 50 years ago.
These look good now that they've been cleaned up and the simple
construction is a help when only a few hand tools are available.

Bob Roller
Title: Re: Original set triggers
Post by: David R. Pennington on March 17, 2019, 07:44:26 PM
Bob that front trigger spring does look real heavy. Really hard to see well in the picture but it may thin out a good bit near the end where it is fastened under the main spring. If so it would make it in effect work lighter. The more I look the more convinced I am that the dip in the bar was filed for clearance, too even to be wear.
Title: Re: Original set triggers
Post by: Bob Roller on March 18, 2019, 12:55:35 AM
Bob that front trigger spring does look real heavy. Really hard to see well in the picture but it may thin out a good bit near the end where it is fastened under the main spring. If so it would make it in effect work lighter. The more I look the more convinced I am that the dip in the bar was filed for clearance, too even to be wear.

I think you're right about the dip in the sear striking section of that trigger.
The rifle could be cocked with out setting the trigger.

Bob Roller
Title: Re: Original set triggers
Post by: Dave B on March 18, 2019, 03:01:43 AM
 You are right the groove is filed in to allow the cocking of the rifle with out having to set the trigger.
Here are a couple more shots of the trigger hope this helps get a better sense of the lay out.  The front return spring is notched for the front trigger lever. This is the rifle they are from

(https://i.ibb.co/BcrMn1m/20190316-211348.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MZG0BXb)

(https://i.ibb.co/rvfTfXC/20190316-211516.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QXjzjx2)

(https://i.ibb.co/16fJYr2/DSCN2721.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Zm61RBT)

(https://i.ibb.co/9sc8c0Y/DSCN2722.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qk7y781)
Title: Re: Original set triggers
Post by: Levy on March 18, 2019, 05:37:49 AM
Years ago I was shown a half-stock percussion rifle by one of my neighbors.  I asked him why it didn't work.
He said that parts were removed from the lock to keep the kids from snapping it.  After his passing and his grandson inheriting it, I had a chance to remove the lock and triggers to see what was missing.  Nothing was missing!  I removed about a small handful of powdery red rust from the two mortices and the lock and triggers themselves.  Once cleaned, everything worked the way it was supposed to.  James Levy 
Title: Re: Original set triggers
Post by: D. Taylor Sapergia on March 19, 2019, 12:23:38 AM
No pictures appear on my computer.???
Title: Re: Original set triggers
Post by: Dave B on March 19, 2019, 05:12:57 AM
Taylor, I just sent you PM
Title: Re: Original set triggers
Post by: mountainman70 on March 19, 2019, 05:28:33 AM
No pics here either. I am having difficulty getting message alerts from this site on my email-gmail. Who knows. Dave F 8) 8)
Title: Re: Original set triggers
Post by: Dennis Glazener on March 19, 2019, 05:54:59 AM
No pics here either. I am having difficulty getting message alerts from this site on my email-gmail. Who knows. Dave F 8) 8)

Even without the email notification you should see messages  waiting when you login
Dennis
Title: Re: Original set triggers
Post by: D. Taylor Sapergia on March 19, 2019, 07:58:28 PM
Pics are up this morning...thanks.
Title: Re: Original set triggers
Post by: David R. Pennington on March 20, 2019, 03:15:57 AM
Nice rifle. Thanks for sharing.