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General discussion => Black Powder Shooting => Topic started by: Jerry on April 26, 2019, 08:12:22 PM

Title: Smoothbore Rear Sights
Post by: Jerry on April 26, 2019, 08:12:22 PM
Smoothbore octagon to round rear sight or no rear sight. Would like some smoothbore shooters
opinions. Will be hunting using round ball and shot. Also some target shooting. Thanks, Jerry
Title: Re: Smoothbore Rear Sights
Post by: Dennis Glazener on April 26, 2019, 08:27:50 PM
Jerry,
I put a rear sight on my 16 ga oct to round fowler and I am convinced it helped me on live birds. I did far better with it than the next hunt where I used a different 16 bore (had sold the other one) without a rear sight. Sorry this was only a two hunt comparison but I would not hesitate to put a rear sight on the next fowler I build.

Dennis
Title: Re: Smoothbore Rear Sights
Post by: Jerry on April 26, 2019, 08:42:16 PM
Many Thanks Dennis. My first thoughts were that it would definitely help. Definitely for deer and target. Regards, Jerry
Title: Re: Smoothbore Rear Sights
Post by: hanshi on April 26, 2019, 10:53:51 PM
When My smoothbore was built I had a rear sight installed and I'm glad I did.  It makes it much easier, for me, to hit moving targets and running deer.  Maybe not for everyone but it is historically correct.
Title: Re: Smoothbore Rear Sights
Post by: Mike Brooks on April 27, 2019, 12:47:15 AM
If you're going to shoot birds on the wing no sight. If you're going to shoot round ball you'll want a sight. Either is historically correct. I also put rear sights on guns intended for turkeys.
Title: Re: Smoothbore Rear Sights
Post by: Jerry on April 27, 2019, 02:01:13 AM
If you're going to shoot birds on the wing no sight. If you're going to shoot round ball you'll want a sight. Either is historically correct. I also put rear sights on guns intended for turkeys.
Thanks Mike, That is it. Wing shooting, no sight. Target or deer, sight. Jerry
Title: Re: Smoothbore Rear Sights
Post by: Brokennock on April 27, 2019, 03:51:59 AM
While I can hit okay with roundball from my smoothbore with no rear sight, it takes a lot more practice and consistent shooting position than it does with my smoothbore that has a rear sight. I find the rear sight an advantage for consistency when developing a load too. Wing shooting might be another story but I do little of that with my m.l. guns. Most of my shot shooting is still done rifle style, squirrels, stationary rabbits, turkeys, and such, as opposed to wing shooting.
It's one thing to be able to hit a paper plate reliably and consistently without using a rear sight while on the practice range when one is standing or sitting the same way shot after shot. Get in the woods and fields and body position can/does change, which can then change point of impact.
Title: Re: Smoothbore Rear Sights
Post by: ron w on April 27, 2019, 05:13:46 PM
 smooth bore or not, if your going to shoot any solid projectile, it should have a rear sight, in my opinion. the rear sight doesn't hinder you when shooting shot either. the sighting process is the same rear sight or none. both eyes open, three points of alignment......
  even a peep can be used for either load.   when used correctly,....with both eyes open,....you get a full view of the sight picture with the peep and front sight projected onto the sight picture.
Title: Re: Smoothbore Rear Sights
Post by: iloco on April 27, 2019, 06:19:45 PM
I have a Mike Brooks fowler that he installed a rear site on.  I like having the rear sight.  If he hadn't installed the rear site I would have had someone to install one for me.
 I can shoot a fowler with round ball better with rear sight.  I see no reason it would interfer when shooting at flying birds.
Title: Re: Smoothbore Rear Sights
Post by: Daryl on April 27, 2019, 07:05:42 PM
When shooting birds, I do not see the sight - just the bird. There is perhaps a ghost of the barrel under the bird in my peripheral vision.
I would not "see" a rear sight.  When shooting birds, more elevation is given to the rear of the barrel due to the drop/trajectory of the shot.
 I am speaking of normal wing shooting 30 to 50 yards on birds.
Title: Re: Smoothbore Rear Sights
Post by: Mike Brooks on April 27, 2019, 07:30:41 PM
I'm one of those that simply can not hit flying targets with a gun with a rear sight. I have tried, but it just doesn't work for me. That's all right though, more reason to have more guns. ;D
Title: Re: Smoothbore Rear Sights
Post by: ron w on April 27, 2019, 09:55:15 PM
 Mike, don't feel alone...... last time I went duck hunting as a teenager, I burned through 2 boxes of shells for two ducks !.
Title: Re: Smoothbore Rear Sights
Post by: Mike Brooks on April 28, 2019, 01:21:57 AM
Mike, don't feel alone...... last time I went duck hunting as a teenager, I burned through 2 boxes of shells for two ducks !.
Oh, I have no problem shooting flying with a gun with out a rea sight, I'm a better skeet shooter than a rifle shooter by a bit.
Title: Re: Smoothbore Rear Sights
Post by: Nessmuck on April 29, 2019, 07:14:05 AM

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Gonnah play with this temporary peep sight...to work up some loads from the bench...then take some measurements  and make a solid sight to mount on the tang screw.
Title: Re: Smoothbore Rear Sights
Post by: Daryl on April 29, 2019, 08:45:13 PM
That one would be in the way on a smoothbore, for me as I do look over the barrel.
Title: Re: Smoothbore Rear Sights
Post by: Hungry Horse on May 01, 2019, 05:31:26 PM
 I will tell you what works for me. My smoothie is a twenty gauge home grown chiefs grade with a 30” barrel. When I built it I got impatient to shoot it, and rushed things. I had bought one of those fancy brass front sights that looked like a turtle, but couldn’t find it. So, I took a steel solder on barrel lug, and filed it into a sight blade, and soldered it on the barrel. In my haste to get the gun running, I got my new sight about a sixteenth to the left. After shooting it quite a bit I elected to bend the barrel up at the muzzle. What I found was that if I put my target in the right side corner where the blade and the square shouldered base converge, that where the ball went. I do have the tang screw oriented so the slot can be used as a reference, but not an actual rear sight. This little gun will shoot like a rifle out to about sixty five yards. It kind of like having a peep sight on the muzzle of your gun.
 I started shooting bare ball loads in this gun because the pressure from the patched ball loads eventually straightened out the barrel, and it had to be re-bent.

  Hungry Horse
Title: Re: Smoothbore Rear Sights
Post by: Mike Brooks on May 01, 2019, 05:42:27 PM
I have never built a gun where the tang screw was at the same level as the plane of the barrel. All it would be for me is a blur anyway.
Title: Re: Smoothbore Rear Sights
Post by: Daryl on May 02, 2019, 02:35:56 AM
I have never built a gun where the tang screw was at the same level as the plane of the barrel. All it would be for me is a blur anyway.

I have seen guys re-trofit a very high domed screw with the slot showing and running down the over the bore. The claim was it wasn't a sight.
Some people just seem to be always be somewhat "0ff-Centre".
Title: Re: Smoothbore Rear Sights
Post by: Mike Brooks on May 02, 2019, 04:09:31 PM
I have never built a gun where the tang screw was at the same level as the plane of the barrel. All it would be for me is a blur anyway.

I have seen guys re-trofit a very high domed screw with the slot showing and running down the over the bore. The claim was it wasn't a sight.
Some people just seem to be always be somewhat "0ff-Centre".
I can't even see where the breech of the barrel is any more let alone a screw slot that is a couple more inches closer to my eye. If I'm going to have a rear sight on a gun it's got to be at least 13" down the barrel before I can even see what it is. 15" is even better.
Title: Re: Smoothbore Rear Sights
Post by: Jerry on May 03, 2019, 03:51:45 AM
I have never built a gun where the tang screw was at the same level as the plane of the barrel. All it would be for me is a blur anyway.

I have seen guys re-trofit a very high domed screw with the slot showing and running down the over the bore. The claim was it wasn't a sight.
Some people just seem to be always be somewhat "0ff-Centre".
I can't even see where the breech of the barrel is any more let alone a screw slot that is a couple more inches closer to my eye. If I'm going to have a rear sight on a gun it's got to be at least 13" down the barrel before I can even see what it is. 15" is even better.
Mike, That's exactly right. My rear sights now are near the entry thimble on my rifles. Jerry
Title: Re: Smoothbore Rear Sights
Post by: Jerry on May 19, 2019, 09:49:29 PM
Many Thanks to all who shared their thoughts on fowler rear sights that helped me make my decision to add an adjustable rear sight on my fowler. I had made up a couple rear sights sometime ago, but never used them. I picked the lower of the two sights to install. I used a brass front sight. Pictures show the position of the sight on the barrel. Regards, Jerry
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Title: Re: Smoothbore Rear Sights
Post by: Huntschool on May 21, 2019, 06:57:31 AM
Jerry:

Is that sight a solder on fixture ?  Also what are you using for a front sight ? 

Thanks
Title: Re: Smoothbore Rear Sights
Post by: heelerau on May 21, 2019, 03:19:47 PM
Guess I am lucky with my old smoothie !
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Title: Re: Smoothbore Rear Sights
Post by: Mike Brooks on May 21, 2019, 03:26:31 PM
That would be a big blurry blob that close to my eye.
Title: Re: Smoothbore Rear Sights
Post by: Daryl on May 21, 2019, 07:59:31 PM
VERY Blurry for most of us, Mike.

On second thought, due to it's size, it could be useful afterall.
Title: Re: Smoothbore Rear Sights
Post by: Jerry on May 24, 2019, 01:36:51 AM
Jerry:

Is that sight a solder on fixture ?  Also what are you using for a front sight ? 

Thanks
Yes, the rear sight is soldered on. Base matching the radius of the barrel. Front sight is from Track of The Wolf. Item number FS-FUSIL-2-B.
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