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General discussion => Contemporary Longrifle Collecting => Topic started by: robpack@Hotmail.com on June 08, 2019, 08:29:05 PM

Title: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: robpack@Hotmail.com on June 08, 2019, 08:29:05 PM
Hi looking at purchasing this Henderson flintlock. Owner says it is in good condition? ANYONE have an estimated value?
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Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: Mike Brooks on June 08, 2019, 09:00:58 PM
Depends on if you're buying or selling. $800-$1000.
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: robpack@Hotmail.com on June 09, 2019, 01:10:48 AM
Tks Mr Brooks I think the guy wants 1100 for it!!! seems like not a bad deal!!
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: EC121 on June 09, 2019, 03:47:46 AM
$1100 is not much above parts cost.  Is the barrel swamped?
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: robpack@Hotmail.com on June 09, 2019, 05:33:26 AM
I have no clue
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: Mike Brooks on June 09, 2019, 06:42:25 PM
I have no clue
If I were the buyer that would make or break the deal.
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: robpack@Hotmail.com on June 10, 2019, 02:38:07 AM
OK I have contacted the seller he says it is NOT swamped but its very light and accurate he wants 900 bucks for the rifle!! I am seriously considering it? Not sure its about 3 hours away from me to drive and pick it up!!! Guess the only thing I need to take is some powder, patches and a bore scope not going to buy it without firing it !!! What does everyone think? It is definitely not swamped he said so himself?
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: robpack@Hotmail.com on June 10, 2019, 11:00:38 AM
SO I have googled this W C Henderson and I get nothing?  Was he a popular maker? Is he still making flintlocks? Any information greatly appreciated>????
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: rich pierce on June 10, 2019, 02:48:19 PM
Looks like this was made by an above average hobby builder who did some elementary carving and engraving. There are hundreds of such who remain mostly anonymous. I have a friend who builds very fine Southern mountain rifles who commented that the name of the builder can account for a lot of the sales price.

With this rifle youre getting what looks like a well constructed, nicely finished used longrifle. Not having handled it or looked down the bore you dont know if it has any issues. Probably everything is as it should be. If you went to Friendship Im guessing youd find a couple dozen used rifles to choose from in the $800 to $1200 price range. And some new ones around $1000 to $1200 believe it or not. A lot depends on the barrel, whether straight or swamped.
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: robpack@Hotmail.com on June 10, 2019, 08:30:50 PM
Thank Mr.Pierce for your input!  The barrel is NOT swamped but the seller says it is light and accurate!! I have some time to think as this is not a hot item this time of year! Just getting some expert advice!  Thanks again! The seller agreed to meet halfway which cuts my drive time in half which is a good thing... Thanks so much for helping me decide! 
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: robpack@Hotmail.com on June 12, 2019, 02:20:02 AM
Well I was ready to buy this flintlock simply to hunt with ...I told the guy id meet him and id bring black powder, balls and patches as well as a bore scope-----he replied, " I want to sell it not spend time at a range shooting it".. I reversed my decision immediately!!! Not buying something the guy refuses to shoot!!!!!
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: Molly on June 12, 2019, 03:18:51 PM
It seems to be a common practice of sellers to allow one to "examine" a rifle and let the buyer make an evaluation but not to shoot it.  The natural question being, "who will clean it?"  And it if is newly made and never been fired a test firing is even more unlikely as "use" diminishes value in the eyes of many buyers and sellers.
Just from the pics, that rifle looks sound.  Live on the edge...BUY IT!
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: bob in the woods on June 12, 2019, 05:35:44 PM
The seller is already spending his time and $ driving to meet you half way , so you may want to re evaluate your decision.
I'm at the age where I charge a 10% aggravation charge for some customers.  You could very well find yourself on that list  ::)
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: Dennis Glazener on June 12, 2019, 08:53:35 PM
I am not trying to defend the seller but if I were him I would have told you the same thing! It is rare to have shooting rights to a gun before you buy it especially after driving an hour and a half to deliver it and only getting $900 for a rifle like that.
Dennis

Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: robpack@Hotmail.com on June 13, 2019, 08:14:43 PM
I do agree you guys are exactly correct!!! LOL I was SO not thinking of the "involvement" of cleaning one of these rifles!!! He did say I could bring a bore scope!! I didn't buy it!! The more I thought about it I thought OMG do I really want to have to go thru the cleaning of this rifle after every time I shoot it in  PA muzzleloader season!!!! (I know I could probably wipe it down and clean it every 2 days) but im a stickler with guns and cleaning them!!! Someone else will own it!! I thank everyone for the information I recd!!! Yeah definitely didn't think the " let me shoot it first" through!!!!! I have 2 thompsons (don't like the sights on them) but that is something I can change if need be!! Once again thanks for all your input!!!!!!
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: Mike Brooks on June 13, 2019, 10:05:30 PM
I wouldn't be interested in somebody shooting a gun before they bought it under most circumstances. In fact, I have never been offered a " shoot first buy after" option on the hundreds of guns I have bought in my lifetime. It's always you shoot it, it's now your gun.
 What is it your so worried about? If it has a good bore and was built of quality parts you don't need to worry, it's going to work.
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: D. Taylor Sapergia on June 14, 2019, 01:13:55 AM
OP:  if you are not prepared to clean the rifle the day you shoot it, pick another hobby and/or hunting arm!
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: robpack@Hotmail.com on June 14, 2019, 02:14:07 AM
Very good point!!!!! I should stick to the "easy" flintlocks that you can pull one pin loosen the frizzen and out comes the barrel!!!!
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: bob in the woods on June 14, 2019, 03:03:18 PM
You are a new comer on this site, so you obviously have some interest in BP and muzzleloaders. You mention having what appears to be half stock rifles, with a barrel wedge .   Take some time to read up on posts here concerning cleaning. Traditional long rifles , fowlers, [ full stocked ]  etc can have either pins or wedges depending on style and time period.
Either way, cleaning is not the arduous task that many seem to think it is.  5 to 10 min at the most for me, and that is after shooting 50 or more shots.  Don't let "cleaning" keep you from enjoying a wonderful hobby.
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: Bigmon on June 14, 2019, 03:43:50 PM
I think I could tel more about how well a gun is made by cleaning it.  Sort of like washing yer car and finding a ding.  When I go over every inch of a gun in a good cleaning, that's when I might discover, and have, the little things that I don't really like.  Oerhaps a fake front lock bolt, or a wood screw for a tang bolt.  A pc of wood or patch glued in as a repair.  Just any little thing that doesn't really huty function, but not what I'd pay top dollar for.
Just my thoughts
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: Mike Brooks on June 14, 2019, 04:50:11 PM
It is situations like this that drive me closer to retirement all the time. ???
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: Bhmack on June 14, 2019, 05:19:11 PM
I remember the feeling of wanting to shoot but not clean right after.. Pop taught me to suppress that inclination with a superbly chosen cherry switch. He was a fan of Raise em up in the way they should go...  :o

Im an enthusiastic scrubber.....
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: rich pierce on June 14, 2019, 05:58:36 PM
It is situations like this that drive me closer to retirement all the time. ???

Im sure I shared this before but back in the early 80s I had a rifle on consignment at a small shop and the proprietor lent it out for a rondy!
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: jaeren on June 14, 2019, 06:04:52 PM
Very good point!!!!! I should stick to the "easy" flintlocks that you can pull one pin loosen the frizzen and out comes the barrel!!!!

What ever happened to you bivens. Did you ever find a buyer.
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: robpack@Hotmail.com on June 14, 2019, 07:21:36 PM
Still own it!!!   Not really looking to sell it at the time!  Its safe and sound and still unfired!!!
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: Mike Brooks on June 14, 2019, 09:38:05 PM
Still own it!!!   Not really looking to sell it at the time!  Its safe and sound and still unfired!!!
How do you know it works? :o.....I thought you wouldn't buy a gun unless you could shoot it first.
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: vanu on June 15, 2019, 03:54:12 AM
well played Mr. Brooks...I have been following this thread and I almost spit my beer out when i read your most recent post....some play checkers, others play chess..your comment provided a cheerful de-stressing way to end a bad week...I hope the OP enjoys the ribbing...

Bruce
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: Afghanvet on June 15, 2019, 08:06:55 AM
Still own it!!!   Not really looking to sell it at the time!  Its safe and sound and still unfired!!!
How do you know it works? :o.....I thought you wouldn't buy a gun unless you could shoot it first.

At least you were able to follow the thread. Im still confused after reading it several times.
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: Mike Brooks on June 15, 2019, 05:19:30 PM
Still own it!!!   Not really looking to sell it at the time!  Its safe and sound and still unfired!!!
How do you know it works? :o.....I thought you wouldn't buy a gun unless you could shoot it first.

At least you were able to follow the thread. Im still confused after reading it several times.
I excel at confusion as I'm always confused myself.
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: snapper on June 15, 2019, 05:30:26 PM
I had a high end racing canoe.  A local guy, the editor of the paper was looking at it thinking about buying it.  He asked if he could take it out for a paddle.  I said sure and helped him load it.  I figured (wrongly) that he was going just down the road to the local park with a couple of reclaimed gravel pits to paddle in.

Two days latter he brought it back, left it in my yard all with extra scuffs on it when I was not home.  Seems he took it for a run on a river somewhere.  No he did not buy it.

Fleener
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: Craig Wilcox on June 15, 2019, 11:19:51 PM
I really must be missing something with the OP.  I used to have a small gun shop, you know, buy, sell, trade, repair.  Bought hundreds of firearms or all types.  Sold them, too.
But I never had a customer want to "step out back and let me fire it a few times".  Nor did I try to shoot those firearms that I bought - would have kept me pretty busy!
People all the time eat a meal without taste-testing it first.  Unless they are royalty, and have an official "taste tester/poisonee".
Maybe that is why prisons have gotten away from the electric chair - no one wanted to be the one that "test fired" it!
Cleaning a ML gun isn't all that difficult or time consuming - water, maybe some soap, and some clean patches, then a wee bit of oil.  No disassembling required.
Title: Re: Henderson Flintlock
Post by: Martin S. on June 16, 2019, 10:00:49 AM
I would love to see some pics of the Bivens'.

Any chance you could post some?