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Title: ALR Rules have changed
Post by: Dennis Glazener on July 13, 2019, 12:00:53 AM
Please take note that our rules have changed. To view these changes please review items 1 through 4 at this URL: http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=42270.msg411606#msg411606

The Admins and Moderators have made changes that now allow American and related SIDE LOCK muzzle loading long range bullet guns. We also removed the cut off date on original guns. The restriction that a gun must be a side lock and a muzzle loader makes the date range un-necessary.

We still exclude mass produced Civil War guns, there are many other forums that are open to these type guns.

Dennis Glazener
ALR Admin
Title: Re: ALR Rules have changed
Post by: Daryl on July 13, 2019, 01:03:45 AM
Tks Dennis.
Title: Re: ALR Rules have changed
Post by: snapper on July 13, 2019, 02:48:10 AM
Good news indeed.  This is the best site on the internet, with some great people on it.

I am so glad we can talk about bear pistols again.  Seriously, I would like to own a bear pistol!  Sorry, being in Iowa with Mike is rubbing off on me. :P

Thanks to Dennis and all those that help.

Fleener
Title: Re: ALR Rules have changed
Post by: Roger B on July 13, 2019, 04:56:01 AM
Thanks!
Roger B.
Title: Re: ALR Rules have changed
Post by: Curtis on July 13, 2019, 06:58:10 AM
Good news indeed.  This is the best site on the internet, with some great people on it. ......

Thanks to Dennis and all those that help.

Fleener

I second what Snapper said!  Thanks to Dennis and the Mods!  I have just started on my Alexander Henry and will start a post on the build process sometime soon.

Curtis
Title: Re: ALR Rules have changed
Post by: JBJ on July 13, 2019, 04:32:53 PM
Another vote of thanks to the mods.
J.B.
Title: Re: ALR Rules have changed
Post by: Bob Roller on July 13, 2019, 04:48:53 PM
Another vote of thanks to the mods.
J.B.

Yes indeed. Now it's a forum for my two favorite muzzle loaders,the Tn.Long Rifle
and the English inspired long range match rifle.

Bob Roller
Title: Re: ALR Rules have changed
Post by: runastav on July 13, 2019, 07:46:10 PM
Hi Guys!
wat about cal 58 Minie Bullet rifles?
Runar
Title: Re: ALR Rules have changed
Post by: smart dog on July 13, 2019, 10:09:19 PM
Hi Runar,
That likely would be a mass produced American Civil War era gun so it would not be permitted.

dave
Title: Re: ALR Rules have changed
Post by: Taylorz1 on July 14, 2019, 06:23:24 AM
I think all the moderators should be commended for a measured and thoughtful review of the issue. While I am pleased with the outcome, even if the decision had been different I would still commend the moderators for how they approached the issue. On most other sites there would have been a rapid breakdown in civility that would have spiraled into name calling etc. it was impressive to see differing opinions weighed, commented on objectively and a decision made. 
Title: Re: ALR Rules have changed
Post by: Mike Lyons on July 14, 2019, 07:02:48 AM
My mind says “great news.”  My wallet says “oh no, I don’t know if I can afford to learn about anymore rifles.”  :o
Title: Re: ALR Rules have changed
Post by: Bob Roller on July 14, 2019, 02:19:22 PM
My mind says “great news.”  My wallet says “oh no, I don’t know if I can afford to learn about anymore rifles.”  :o

If a trip around the world could be had for a dollar I couldn't afford to
get out of sight ;D.
The extension of the time frame is a big help because some of these
long range rifles were still being made into the 1890's because the
loads could be instantly adjusted at the range and the brass case
guns were stuck with whatever they were loaded with by Kynoch
or whoever.
I went to a local range for a 500 meter shoot on knock down targets
and when I told them I had a muzzle loader they thought the targets
would have to be set closer than they liked.I proved to them that the
breech loader has an advantage in loading faster but beat all of them at
500 meters.Lots of fun!
Bob Roller

Title: Re: ALR Rules have changed
Post by: Hudnut on July 14, 2019, 03:01:20 PM
This rule change allows discussion of most of the late 19th century heavy target rifles - which probably were the most accurate muzzleloading rifles ever made in America, maybe the world.  A very good thing.  I say most, because Billinghurst style rifles would still be out of bounds.
Title: Re: ALR Rules have changed
Post by: oldtravler61 on July 15, 2019, 07:07:42 PM
  To the mods. Thank you ..! Personally Im a Tennessee style type gun guy. But for all the others that shoot this style. It will be much appreciated.
Oldtravler
Title: Re: ALR Rules have changed
Post by: Nemovir on July 18, 2019, 04:34:27 PM
what is a side lock?
Title: Re: ALR Rules have changed
Post by: rich pierce on July 18, 2019, 05:54:49 PM
A lock on the side of the barrel. Not an underhammer. Not an in-line. Not a box lock pistol with the cock on top.
Title: Re: ALR Rules have changed
Post by: Nemovir on July 18, 2019, 06:08:50 PM
A lock on the side of the barrel. Not an underhammer. Not an in-line. Not a box lock pistol with the cock on top.

I google it and get pictures of precussion cap rifle. Is it mule ear?
Title: Re: ALR Rules have changed
Post by: rich pierce on July 18, 2019, 10:12:49 PM
Sidelock = Standard percussion or flintlock mounted on the side of the barrel.
Title: Re: ALR Rules have changed
Post by: Justin Urbantas on July 18, 2019, 11:44:46 PM
A lock on the side of the barrel. Not an underhammer. Not an in-line. Not a box lock pistol with the cock on top.
I was just curious why box-locks are not allowed. Many flintlocks were made that way.
Title: Re: ALR Rules have changed
Post by: Dennis Glazener on July 19, 2019, 03:43:57 AM
A lock on the side of the barrel. Not an underhammer. Not an in-line. Not a box lock pistol with the cock on top.
I was just curious why box-locks are not allowed. Many flintlocks were made that way.

It was a good place to draw a line. We felt our longrifle forum was being stretched too far. Side locks only gave us a good clean division line from other types of muzzle loaders.
Dennis
Title: Re: ALR Rules have changed
Post by: WESTbury on July 31, 2019, 09:43:26 PM
Does your prohibition on mass produced guns extend all the way back to flintlock muskets?

Thanks for your attention.
Title: Re: ALR Rules have changed
Post by: Tim Crosby on July 31, 2019, 09:54:05 PM
Does your prohibition on mass produced guns extend all the way back to flintlock muskets?

Thanks for your attention.

 No.

  Tim C.
Title: Re: ALR Rules have changed
Post by: WESTbury on July 31, 2019, 10:16:48 PM
Thanks Tim, appreciate your quick reply and good news!