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Offline Feltwad

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Re: "Ketland & Co." lock date?
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2010, 11:48:42 PM »
 The letter {S} for the year  1790-91 Chas Freeth silver smith produced pieces of gun and pistol  furniture as follows, Pistol 596 pieces gun 80 pieces with a troy weight of 598.the average weight of silver furniture on a holster pistol would average 6 to 7 troy oz
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Re: "Ketland & Co." lock date?
« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2010, 01:03:07 AM »
What proof marks does it have on the barrel? If it was made in 1816 it had to have either regular B'ham proofs or possibly regular London proofs. If it has the pair of crowned crossed scepters without the added "BPC" and "V" or the simple crowned "P" and "V" or the "P" and "V" without crowns it has to pre-date 1813.

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Re: "Ketland & Co." lock date?
« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2010, 01:26:44 AM »
The barrel proof marks are two sets of crossed scepters with crowns above.  No letters.
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Re: "Ketland & Co." lock date?
« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2010, 03:40:20 AM »
Those are Ordnance private proofs. They were done on Tower wharf, for the trade, in the Ordnance proof house. This is one of the questions I'm working on with DeWitt Bailey. His research suggests that the Ordnance ceased doing them very early in the 19th century, probably before 1805. With the Napoleonic wars raging, they had little interest in encouraging private trade. In fact, they were doing everything to discourage it so that the gunmakers would produce government arms. A date of 1790-91 is completely consistent with those marks but a date of 1816 is not. After the establishment of the B'ham Proof House in 1813, private proof also disappeared and everything that was proofed was done either in London or B'ham.