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Offline runastav

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Building a Scottish Pistol
« on: May 25, 2011, 02:54:05 PM »
Hi Guys!
A friend lend me his replica of a ca 1740 full metal Scottish Pistol, made in Italy, Spain or maby India? So I vill make a replica of the replica.
Photo show the different swivel pistol and the Scottish. Made a mandril to form the 1.2mm sheet metal
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Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2011, 04:52:35 PM »
Hi Runar,

A Living History museum near here has documented doing this. Perhaps this will help you.  This is a link to Part I.  I think there are 5 parts.

http://ruralblacksmith.blogspot.com/2010/07/scottish-pistol-project-part-i.html


Good luck! I always wanted one of these...

Dale
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Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2011, 04:53:33 PM »
Thats looking pretty good for sure...I love those pistols, and my hats off to you for making one like you are...

Here is a link showing how another was made from scratch recently, you may know of it already, but if not you may find it interesting..
(oops...someone beat me to it...see above post...it is a great link)
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Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2011, 06:41:26 PM »
Hi Runastav,
Looks like a great project but Scottish pistols from the mid 18th century have many details that are not incorporated in the reproduction that you are using as a model.  First and foremost, the vast majority of Scottish pistols used the "highland" lock, which had a lateral sear mechanism.  The trigger was pinned high in the stock like a those used for snaphaunce locks.  The trigger was made with a silver ball rivetted to the trigger bar.  Often, the top of the trigger bar actually protruded through a slot on the top of the stock.  The best guns were heavily engraved and often included silver wire inlay in a woven Celtic design that showed beautifully when the stock was fire blued.  You might want to buy a copy of Martin Kelvin's book on Scottish pistols, which describes many of those details.

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Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2011, 06:15:17 AM »
You're a very talented gunbuilder and artisan Runar and I enjoy tremendously viewing the photos and reading about the procedures as you manufacture your Scottish pistol. Thanks for sharing.

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Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2011, 01:48:18 AM »
Is it true that they would shoot their musket and disguard it , fire their pistol and throw it and then draw their sword and attack? seems I read that some where. Good work at any rate thanks for sharing

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Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2011, 01:52:54 AM »
Hi Runar,

A Living History museum near here has documented doing this. Perhaps this will help you.  This is a link to Part I.  I think there are 5 parts.

http://ruralblacksmith.blogspot.com/2010/07/scottish-pistol-project-part-i.html
Good luck! I always wanted one of these...
Dale

One of the guys working on this pistol worked for me in the Native Programs part of the museum for a couple summers.  He was great at that, but smithing was where he really wanted to be, and that pistol project shows that smithing is where he needs to be!  What an amazing project!

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Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2011, 11:33:05 AM »
Thank you all for your comment :)I made the stock and barrel first, and maybe I made a real snaplock, hmmm I made a Norwegian snaplockreplica from scratch some time ago but it is another story. here is a photo of the rifle.
And now is the ramshorn solder in place
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Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2011, 11:26:39 AM »
Fellows!

I was all excited! I thought that for once I could add a little to the conversation; I know of a blog where the blacksmiths recreated a beautiful brace of Scottish pistols.

Alas, Dale beat me to it...

And here I thought I was the Blog Miester!

LOL!!!

Runar, I am always amazed by your ability and wide varying interests and skill! I'm telling you, there is always something to learn from your posts!

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Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2011, 11:12:54 AM »
Thank you Albert :)
More metal

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Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2011, 02:07:06 PM »
Wow! I never realized they were hollow in the handle. How does the weight of one of these compare to a pistol made with a wood stock?
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Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2011, 02:34:48 AM »
Hei Runar!  Well, here we go again.....your fertile mind and acute desire are going to entertain us once igen.  It is really great watching one of your projects take on life. Jeg vil gni meg Mjölnir og bringe du lykke!
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Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2011, 10:56:40 PM »
Wow! I never realized they were hollow in the handle. How does the weight of one of these compare to a pistol made with a wood stock?

    The only one that I have held seemed heavier than I would have expected although not a lot more than one with a wooden stock.  If my memory is correct, it was close to 60 cal which surprised me because I had always assumed they were of small caliber.  It sold for $3000 or so at auction which was more than a bit over my price range :>)  

     I really find the forming mandril interesting because I have been totally baffled about how the metal could be formed in that shape.  On the one that I looked at, I could see a faint seam for the ramshorn but none along the bottom edge that I could see

cheers Doug
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Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2011, 12:15:31 PM »
Thank you!
The barrel, I will make it out of tubing sorry Bookie HeHe ;) After I can customfit it to the forestock, Bookie ta deg ei øl farr og slapp av!
 
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Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2011, 09:49:26 PM »
Barrel almost finish, you can use the laths as a miniatyr shaper

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Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2011, 12:35:42 PM »
Hi Folks!
I am on and off building these days, $#*! it is shooting season ;)

So now the breach plug is installed, bolt M 16x0,2 Caliber of barrel, 11,65mm (458")

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Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2011, 08:23:05 PM »
Way to go, runastav!
Looking forward to seeing it in action. Keep up the good work ;)
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Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2011, 04:04:24 PM »
I am in awe of your talent!

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Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2011, 09:39:29 AM »
Thank you Jeger and hoochiepapa :)
The Scottish gunbuilders was smart, see the barrelfastening in front

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Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2011, 09:02:33 PM »
Hei Runar.  The pistol is taking shape nicely.  After I read your last post to me, I decided to do something about it!  Jeg sitter med en kulden Tuborg inne meg hånd.  Vil du like en drikk?  Den ville vil få gevær fabrikasjon flere god som man liker!  Mvh, Bookie



 
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Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2011, 11:42:36 AM »
Runar,

I'm tellig you, I learn something new about machining with every one of your posts!

I always look at the tooling and tools on a persons bench, for clues on how the work is done. Many times the background is as important as the subject. I certainly appreciate your time and efforts in sharing your passion!

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Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2011, 12:58:20 PM »
Hi folks!
Thank you Bookie and Albert :)
I will use parts from a small Siler flintlock for the snaplock, hammer, mainspring, frizzen, frizzenspring,pan and make the rest. photo show the lockplate at start
Runar



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Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2011, 04:33:58 PM »
Very fun to see this build.  I am amazed and humbled to watch.  Really like the before and after rusty pipe picture.  Excited to see the snaplock.

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Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2011, 07:04:37 PM »
Hi
Thank you wetzel, and the snaplock me too hehe ;)
Lockplate is near finish, its hold in place whith a screw in front and a tiny lip in the back. It must be bent to the slim grip see photo.
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Re: Building a Scottish Pistol
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2011, 06:07:01 PM »
Hi


Looks great Runastav,will come over to look at it.
Will also bring my new book i bought in Germany with lots of nice pistols and rifles even some Scottish
Aj