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JonathanM
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« on: September 28, 2011, 02:17:56 PM »


 Sirs,

 I desperatly look for original, antique, "Schimmel"-like Flintlock Rifles pictures, or, more accurately, Flintlock Rifles shaped exactly
 in that style:

 

 

 

 

 

 


 No engraving at all (on furniture, lockplate, barrel, etc), no carving, no patchbox, no lockbolt....nothing but the absolutely necessary parts to
 make the gun goes bang! Nothing fancy at all. With or without buttplate.

 Many Gunbuilders propose such a gun, but there must be some pictures somewhere of existing originals, don't they?

 Please could you kindly help me?

 Very Best Regards,
 Jonathan
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Buck
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2011, 03:55:44 PM »

Jonathon,
 Michael Simens has 2 posted on his website that he sold a while back.
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2011, 04:10:22 PM »

Here's one here:

http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=2636.0

I believe this is the same gun that I got to see several years ago, along with another by D. Boyer.  These aren't Lehigh guns, though.
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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2011, 04:16:09 PM »

Jonathon, Welcome to the ALR.  You've posted pic's of what appears to be a Lehigh style rifle.  There are a number around depending if you are looking in general, or for a particular style or period.  The Tennessee, Carolina. Appalachian areas's have many more than others in the 1800 to 1830 period.  More info as to style and time would help.  There are probably very few in the New England area, though there may be some as fowlers. Or you could go with a contemporary one built by an Antique, just contact Don Getz. Grin  Roll Eyes  Shocked

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JonathanM
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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2011, 04:33:16 PM »


 Thank you buck, Stophel and Bill for your messages.  Smiley

 Stophel,

 Beautiful! The lockplates are engraved though, is there any chance to find a completely plain lockplate on such a rifle from you?


 Bill,

 Honestly, regarding the style, I would say Pa, and Flintlock!  Grin

Jonathan
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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2011, 04:55:29 PM »

These "barn guns" are pretty limited in area and time period to the Lehigh-Berks area and others like Schuylkill counties. (did I spell that right?).  1820's-1850's.  These were "store bought" locks, and, unfortunately, during this time period, they are generally festooned with some rather garish engraving.

Southern "poor boy" guns are something else, and I don't know that I have even seen an old one that was really comparable.... but that is definitely not my area of "expertise"... assuming I even have one!   Cheesy
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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2011, 05:05:03 PM »

The Boyer gun I got to see was shaped very similarly to the signed Angstadt one, but the gun was definitely "oversized" in all dimensions (which makes it just about right for me!).  I am told that this is common.  The makers would likely have stocks made up roughly and when someone came to buy one, he would just grab one and finish it as desired.  And barn guns were NOWHERE as neatly finished as the modern one shown above!!!  The Boyer gun was coarsely scraped, and was colored brown with....something, and there was varnish on top of it, but I can imagine that when the gun was sold, it was unstained, and likely even unfinished.  Perhaps a quick coat of linseed oil or something.  HEAVY straight barrel, about .54 smoothbored (I am also told that these types of guns are universally smoothbored), marked "D CHRIST" (I think that's right, isn't that the pretty well known barrel maker?).  These guns are literally lock, stock, and barrel, and that's it.

I made one a few years ago like this.  Mine is definitely better finished too!   Grin
This gun was actually FUN for me to build, and I can't say I usually have "fun" building them!  Cheesy

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v326/Fatdutchman/Flintlocks/BerksBauernwehr/
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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2011, 07:19:04 PM »

Chuck Dixon has several behind the counter on display they are pretty neat
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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2011, 11:04:14 PM »

My impression is that they are rather rare. I have seen only one that I can recall. It was a dandy and had all of the lack of refinements that we associate with a good Kentucky, including no butt plate. If you find an original, you will be fortunate, in my opinion. Never have I seen one for sale. Good luck!
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JonathanM
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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2011, 02:11:38 PM »


 Hello friends,

 Thank you for your replies. Yes, they are probably rare, being surely less well cared of than more decorated rifles.

 I still look for some pictures, it would be so helpful for me! Is there any chance to find some in books?

 Best Regards,
  Jonathan
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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2011, 02:20:25 PM »

Actually, there seems to be quite a few of them...  They just don't get "published".   Cool
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« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2011, 08:14:21 PM »

I do not see them at gunshows, or offered through web sales sites. Perhaps one or two at the KRA, but the most memorable one was owned by a collector in Pittsburg. I don't recall who made it; too long ago. It was pretty much as you described above, Stophel; it was a big gun.
Seems like Whisker may have included it in one of his "Behold the Longrifle" works.
If you have a source, by all means, share it around. There are certainly some takers here, it would seem. I would like to own an original.
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« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2011, 08:22:52 PM »

One is in "Early American Flintlocks" on p. 30

The "KRA Brown book" shows three by David Boyer, pp. 256-261

I have been told that they are fairly easy to come across... in that area.

I would LOVE to have one myself, but I can't even afford the trip up there, much less the gun.   Wink
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JonathanM
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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2011, 05:22:41 AM »

Dear Stophel,

Thank you for your reply and infos. Please could you post some pictures of the pages you describe? I cannot have access to those publications at all.  Embarrassed

Best Wishes,
Jonathan
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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2011, 02:48:50 PM »

The boyer guns in the KRA book are very similar to the Angstadt pictured here. Some of them, if not all of them are the ones on the wall at Dixons. I cant find the picture at the moment and may have lost it with a hard drive crash a year or so ago but the most interesting schimmel on Chucks wall is a large oversized Bucks co. gun.
Very Cool!

 There are more around these parts than one might think but they don't surface too often. There may be several reasons for this. They are often in rather poor shape.  Two in particular come to mind that I could kick myself for not buying over the last couple of years. Angry
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