Author Topic: Pistol Grip Hawken rifle- IS FINISHED!! Pictures restored (Read 66397 times)

D. Taylor Sapergia · « **on:** January 18, 2014, 08:20:58 PM »

I'm going into this thread to try to replace the images stolen by Photobucket. They may not be the same as the ones in myinitial effort, but I hope they'll be interesting nonetheless.

Below are two images of the rifle currently on my bench. There was a time when I swore I'd never build another Hawken but they seem to keep coming to the surface. This one is is a pistol grip Hawken rifle, going to Alaska. It's .62 cal. with a 34" x 1/8" - 1" tapered Colerain barrel. It's been an interesting project from duplicating the design/geometry to re-shaping the trigger plate and guard. I can see why there are only two of the originals extant. This one will get the cool lolipop tang sight too. I'll post a few pics as it comes to life.

Bob Roller · « **Reply #1 on:** January 18, 2014, 10:45:46 PM »

Taylor,
The next time you get into one of these PG Hawken rifles,contact me.
I have made curved bar triggers for several of these and others.
If I know the location of the sear I can customize it to the job.

Bob Roller

Jim Kibler · « **Reply #2 on:** January 18, 2014, 11:58:26 PM »

That looks great. Certainly a little unusual to the eye, but not appealing none the less.

Acer Saccharum · « **Reply #3 on:** January 19, 2014, 12:17:53 AM »

Quote from: Jim Kibler on January 18, 2014, 11:58:26 PM

That looks great. Certainly a little unusual to the eye, but not appealing none the less.

Probably meant to write 'appealing, nonetheless'.

That's a very attractive stock profile, Taylor. I did notice the boss for the lollipop. Can't wait to see your progress.

Tom

Smoketown · « **Reply #4 on:** January 19, 2014, 12:36:39 AM »

Quote from: Jim Kibler on Today at 03:58:26 PM
That looks great. Certainly a little unusual to the eye, but not appealing none the less.

Quote from: Acer Saccharum on today at 04:17:53 PM
Probably meant to write 'appealing, nonetheless'.

Or perhaps, not un-appealing?

It's good we get the drift anyway ... Must be due to all of the black powder smoke!

Cheers,
Smoketown

Jim Kibler · « **Reply #5 on:** January 19, 2014, 03:08:57 AM »

Oops! Looks great Taylor!

smylee grouch · « **Reply #6 on:** January 19, 2014, 03:34:21 AM »

I agree, good looking so far. I will be interested in seeing how you do that boss for the tang sight.

Dphariss · « **Reply #7 on:** January 19, 2014, 05:30:39 AM »

The photo of the original I have seen that still has the sight shows a square staff Schuetzen sight not a "lollipop". It is shown on pg 85 of "Steel Canvas" and the same rifle or a similar one is in "The Wm Locke Collection" Pg 493.

Dan

drago · « **Reply #8 on:** January 19, 2014, 05:55:58 AM »

It looks good, I had no idea they did these.

Dave B · « **Reply #9 on:** January 19, 2014, 05:57:30 AM »

I have a couple shots of this type of rifle it appears from the top view that the tang section with the bolster for the sight is a separate piece brazed into place on the regular tang. I can see what looks like a joint just ahead of the bolster in the top view when enlarged.

Mike Brooks · « **Reply #10 on:** January 19, 2014, 06:05:04 PM »

Cool beans man!

D. Taylor Sapergia · « **Reply #11 on:** January 20, 2014, 02:56:24 AM »

Thanks for all the encouragement lads. Here's a couple enlarged pictures of the tang sight I'm going to re-create. You can see that the boss is brazed to the tang, through which the threaded staff passes into the wrist. I am fortunate to know a metal guy who uses a TIG welder like a magic wand...I'll have him weld my boss to the tang, so I can have the unit colour case hardened according to the client's wishes.
Until today, I have files of two individual Hawken pistol grip rifles and they are almost identical. Now thanks to Dan Pharris, I have a third, the rifle from the Locke collection, and I think it is even nicer than the other two.

D. Taylor Sapergia · « **Reply #12 on:** January 20, 2014, 03:05:43 AM »

Bob, that is a great offer. Matching the trigger plate's curve to the stock was a neat project...I used Key Guy's three bar method and it went nicely. This plate is about 1/2" shorter on the forward end, and several inches shorter on the back end. I was surprised at how easily I was able to make the triggers work in this much- increased- curved plate. But drilling and tapping the holes for the guard retaining screw at the rear, and the rear tang screw was not as much fun. They come through the trigger plate at a very steep angle. But I always fall back on my old philosophy...if it has been done in the past, I can certainly do it in the present. I don't even have to invent anything!

smylee grouch · « **Reply #13 on:** January 20, 2014, 03:09:10 AM »

Taylor, what size screw and thread are you planning on using for the staff on the sight? The one in the photo looks like a substantial size or maybe its just the closeness of the image.

oldarcher · « **Reply #14 on:** January 20, 2014, 03:40:31 AM »

This is a very interesting project. I have seen pictures of a "pistol grip" Hawken but the closest rifle I have actually seen is an English Sporting Rifle. Your work looks Great! Thanks for sharing. It's nice to see some of the other variations of the Hawken getting some interest. Good luck with it.

KLMoors · « **Reply #15 on:** January 20, 2014, 05:04:45 AM »

Very cool project. Keep us posted!

Thanks for the pics.

B Shipman · « **Reply #16 on:** January 20, 2014, 07:52:22 AM »

Taylor, that bulbous round pistol grip is out of sight, love it.

WaterFowl · « **Reply #17 on:** January 20, 2014, 02:55:51 PM »

The round grip makes this rifle look even bigger!
Great pictures for reference!
Thank you!
I am in the " Sapergia" fan club!

D. Taylor Sapergia · « **Reply #18 on:** January 20, 2014, 07:48:15 PM »

I am going to use a piece of 1/4" drill rod with 40 tpi. The horizontal adjustment screw will be either #6 or #8 x 40 tpi.
Thanks for the reference to Steel Canvas...looked up the image, and was pleased to get another perspective.

In case you're wondering what the rifle feels like compared to the straight grip rifle...altogether different! It feels like the rifle is oozing accuracy.

Bob Roller · « **Reply #19 on:** January 20, 2014, 11:13:04 PM »

Taylor,
I have a 1/4x80 tap and die if you need it.makes for a very fine adjustment.
Just send it back when you're done with it.

Bob Roller

D. Taylor Sapergia · « **Reply #20 on:** January 21, 2014, 12:21:51 AM »

Bob:

WOW! I will take advantage of your benevolence. I'll shoot you an email.
Thanks a lot for this offer.

Daryl · « **Reply #21 on:** January 21, 2014, 03:06:21 AM »

I held this rifle today - looking down the barrel as if it had sights it fits, dagnabit - I hates curved butt plates, hate them with a passion, but - Taylor is right - this one feels so good

- I could shoot it and shoot it well - if I could see, that is

- and with an aperture rear sight - just maybe?

sparkmo · « **Reply #22 on:** January 21, 2014, 05:05:33 AM »

Looks great, Taylor. Lucky guy in Alaska!

Daryl · « **Reply #23 on:** June 01, 2014, 06:44:10 PM »

HA! - found it- time to renew some progress, Taylor. I know the stock has some oil and stain on it by now.

Stophel · « **Reply #24 on:** June 01, 2014, 06:58:39 PM »

Now, is this gun going to have a rear peep sight, OR is it going to be a "diopter" and you actually use the rear sight on the barrel?

Really good looking gun, by the way.

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Author Topic: Pistol Grip Hawken rifle- IS FINISHED!! Pictures restored (Read 66397 times)

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