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gondoix

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american fowler :) / new member
« on: August 09, 2014, 10:03:27 PM »
hello gents . i have an American Fowler  i buy ed from one of the guys in my shooting club . the gun was rusty . so i had to remove it form the barrel but the problem is by doing that i  did damage some of the signature on the barrel it read Allen n york .  so i had to re cut the signature. technically I'm restoring old guns  to get them in shooting condition . and to keep them for future generations. but now it comes to this problem there is an rib under the gun that needs to be re attached .

and well i want some more help to find some information about this one there is engraving on the lock triggerguard and butplate .
BTW i had to re letter the lettering how much does that destroy the value .

il give u some photos of the gun



text of the gun before it was restored







before the restoration

Offline Dennis Glazener

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Re: american fowler :) / new member
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2014, 11:48:07 PM »
Sorry but I can't help you with the Fowler question but I see you are a new member currently living in Sweden and I wanted to welcome you to our forum. Good to have you join Americanlongrifles forums (ALR). I am sure one of our collector members will be able to assist you with your questions.

We have several other Swedish ALR members its good to see one more Swede with an interests in American muzzleloaders. Welcome!
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2014, 11:59:27 PM »
Sorry but I can't help you with the Fowler question but I see you are a new member currently living in Sweden and I wanted to welcome you to our forum. Good to have you join Americanlongrifles forums (ALR). I am sure one of our collector members will be able to assist you with your questions.

We have several other Swedish ALR members its good to see one more Swede with an interests in American muzzleloaders. Welcome!
Dennis Glazener
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thanks :)   


of course  its always fun with these old guns :) espacialy to shoot them :D

cheers gondoix :)

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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2014, 05:00:49 PM »
Allen is an awfully common name. Sellers (American Gunsmiths) lists two of them in New York, both in about the right period. I don't use Sellers much because his work appears to be just a compendium of all the previous lists, copied without much regard for verification. Thus, while lots of it is good, everyone's earlier mistakes have been incorporated as well.

That said, I don't think it was made here. It has all the look of a Birmingham export product, retailed in New York. It is, however, quite early for a percussion gun. Those hammers with the wide flat face seem to date in the mid to late 1820s, perhaps as late as 1830. Its quite unusual to be able to date guns like this in anything less than a 20 year bracket but I've seen a few now that can be given a terminal date (because someone died or went out of business) and they all seem to fall into this time frame.

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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2014, 09:31:10 PM »
gondoix

I would say this gun is Birmingham made and began life has flinter and full stocked  dated 1800-1820 ,sometime it was converted too percussion using the drum and nipple principle  and altered to a half stock which could been through the full stock been broken  which was quite common .Are there any proof marks which would help
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Enclosed is a stand of mostly Flintlock conversions That were full stocked

« Last Edit: August 12, 2014, 09:35:54 PM by Feltwad »

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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2014, 10:44:35 PM »
Allen is an awfully common name. Sellers (American Gunsmiths) lists two of them in New York, both in about the right period. I don't use Sellers much because his work appears to be just a compendium of all the previous lists, copied without much regard for verification. Thus, while lots of it is good, everyone's earlier mistakes have been incorporated as well.

That said, I don't think it was made here. It has all the look of a Birmingham export product, retailed in New York. It is, however, quite early for a percussion gun. Those hammers with the wide flat face seem to date in the mid to late 1820s, perhaps as late as 1830. Its quite unusual to be able to date guns like this in anything less than a 20 year bracket but I've seen a few now that can be given a terminal date (because someone died or went out of business) and they all seem to fall into this time frame.


it has birmingham proof marks :) and ketland ones under the barrel :)

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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2014, 10:46:14 PM »
gondoix

I would say this gun is Birmingham made and began life has flinter and full stocked  dated 1800-1820 ,sometime it was converted too percussion using the drum and nipple principle  and altered to a half stock which could been through the full stock been broken  which was quite common .Are there any proof marks which would help
Feltwad

Enclosed is a stand of mostly Flintlock conversions That were full stocked




yes hte proof marks are from birmingham  and ketland i think :)   i post picture of them :)

but i dont think this one has been full stocked tough :) its been made in halfstock :) because well weight  and it has the same setup as an half stocked hawken rifle :)
« Last Edit: August 14, 2014, 10:49:24 PM by gondoix »

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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2014, 10:49:43 PM »


proof marks


btw technicaly there should be an gun case for this gun that disapered years ago becasue its an fowler/case gun :) i found out XD
« Last Edit: August 14, 2014, 10:56:29 PM by gondoix »

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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2014, 12:14:27 AM »
gondoix

I would say this gun is Birmingham made and began life has flinter and full stocked  dated 1800-1820 ,sometime it was converted too percussion using the drum and nipple principle  and altered to a half stock which could been through the full stock been broken  which was quite common .Are there any proof marks which would help
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Enclosed is a stand of mostly Flintlock conversions That were full stocked


[/quote Maybe three out of five, but guess that qualifies as "MOSTLY".

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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2014, 08:20:07 AM »
Don

Definitely four out of the five the second one is a sxs patchlock.
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