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Offline Hawken62_flint

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Latest bag
« on: August 11, 2014, 05:19:45 AM »
At a local longrifle show 2 years ago, I saw an original bag and horn set that I really liked.  This past April I saw it again, and I asked the owner if I could take some drawings and measurements from it.  The original bag came out of Pennsylvania along with a flintlock rifle that this collector acquired.  Anyway, here is my rendition of that bag.  Mine is made from brain tanned deer, dyed with walnut hulls.  I did add the knife and bag axe, as the original had none.  The lining came from a piece of black and red wool shirt that I found in my Dad's truck after he passed away.  It has one extra inside pocket  Stitched with waxed linen and some sinew.  The horn is an original.  I traded for the axe and bought the knife from a CLA member.  The strap is same leather backed with jute and adjustable via a 2 inch antiqued brass buckle.  Comments please.







Offline Clark Badgett

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Re: Latest bag
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2014, 05:48:29 AM »
I have a feeling you may find the angle that the knife is sitting at to be a bit of a pain if you ever get to moving about, and the hatchet will get tangled a lot. Pragmatism would call for the hatchet to be in a pack, bedding roll or worn on it's own belt.

Historically speaking jute would be a few dacades from being common to the intended time fram the bag would most fit in. Jute is primarily from Asia, with some being used in the middle east and Africa, and the British Empire would be the one to make it's usage famous when they possessed India.
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Re: Latest bag
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2014, 03:29:47 PM »
Design and correctness of materials aside, I love the fact that you used Dad's shirt.   I hope you use this bag. It will honor his memory.
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Re: Latest bag
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2014, 04:25:17 PM »
Clark B, I am not sure exactly when the bag I copied was made, but I suspect the latter part of the 1700's or early 1800's as it accompanied an original flint longrifle.  As to the PC for jute, I found this quote on the internet " Since the seventeenth century the British East India Company started trading in Jute. During the reign of the British Empire".  That would place jute in England in the 1600's and I bet it made its way to the Americas prior to 1800, but that is just my guess. Thanks for your comments.  I don't have a lot of extra money to purchase woven straps and so I used what I had on hand, which was some 2 inch wide jute that a buddy gave me and the braintan was just too thin by itself for the strap, so the decision was made to back the leather with the jute.  The wool plaid that I used to line it may not be PC either, but I built it to suit myself.  I will give some feedback later on as to whether or not the knife and axe are hindrances or not after I get to use the bag for a while, but you could be right in your observations.

Model 19--thanks for the comment about my Dad's shirt--you hit it on the head, as to the reason that I used it.  I built this bag for myself and so whenever I use it, I will have part of Dad with me.  He has only been gone for 2 years and it is still hard sometimes to think about hunting without him.

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Re: Latest bag
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2014, 06:10:57 PM »
I had a bag with the knife on the back.  After using it for a while, I discovered that my preference for a patch knife was to put it on the strap to avoid fishing around trying to put it in the sheath.  Since I am not worried about being correct, I even have a purse that was converted to a hunting bag by 90yr. old Arthur Hutcheson of Georgia.  He didn't waste anything.  Works great for $20.  Some of his bags even had zipper pockets!!  I read that zippers were imported from China on the same ship with the with the jute and red plaid wool. ;-)    It is your bag.  Build it to suit yourself.  Everyone else will just have to adjust.  ;D
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Re: Latest bag
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2014, 02:01:00 AM »
Hawken62, don't take my above comments wrong. The bag is fine, just was pointing out things that might be an issue for one reason or another. Jute is quite old, far older than modern histroy. There is always the possibility some could have been found here in the form of burlap bagging. Burlap was used at least as far back as the 1860s as basting in military and civil clothing. Hemp and linen cloth would work well as a backer. I would guess that the bag design would suggest it is from the 1820s forward.
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Re: Latest bag
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2014, 07:26:35 AM »
Woven straps don't have to be $$$$  lots a those at thrift store for 50 cents----to a dollar.   The ones with the 2 rings for a buckle make good fowler slings.......Tom  (retired on a fixed budget !).....

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Re: Latest bag
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2014, 04:33:10 PM »
 and some on this site weave their own straps as needed!!!!!Inkle or Card  Weaving make nice straps