Some years back I was assisting a fellow at the range

[Daryl]

Just recently, I was going through my photobucket acount and came across this old 2-shot sight-check target. It is not a group, merely checking my sight alignment for an upcoming moose hunt. this rifle shoots identically with oil or water based lubes, which is unlike ANY of my other rifles.
 
I was helping a friend (Shad Marshall) with his new modern rifle. He'd fired a bunch of shots at a 100 meter target using his "the stuff that worked in my old rifle" - with poor results as you can see.  It was a .30 cal. brand new rifle.  He then switched targets to some new ammo he'd purchased with amazing results.  

I asked him if I could fire a couple shots on his target just to check the my sights on my 14 bore, for an upcoming hunt.  On being questioned, I assured him I'd be distinguish my hits from his.  This was about 2010, maybe 2011 - a few years back anyway.  He then asked "Will that thing hit the target" - again, I assured him it could if held correctly. Here's the target, 1st shot and 2nd- none other shots were deemed to be needed. Yes- it will shoot. Standard 100 yard target, shot at 100 meters (109yards) 1" squares.



He suggested I had missed the centre and was shooting a bit to the right. I figured it would be OK for moose out to 125 yards or so. There was a slight breeze, left to right.

[bob in the woods]

Daryl, that is pretty much the same re comparison between muzzleloaders and modern rifle results that we see at our club      Nice shooting !

[hanshi]

That's a hoot! 

[WadePatton]

DarylS, your shots look proper and well-rehearsed.  as expected no less. 

Those other shots...look okay for 300!  Hope that fellow got his sorted out.  I don't know why anyone with any loading experience would ever think that what works good in one gun would work in another.  It could of course...but really, it hardly ever does.  IF you insist on best accuracy that is. 

[smylee grouch]

Nice group Daryl, kinda puts some space between the shooters and shooter wanabee's.

[Daryl]

Thanks guys. I did find a different target amongst a stack of old ones I was throwing into the re-cycle bin. I took a picture with my old Olympus digital camera but my new computer won't download them to where I can find them - bloody $#*! - The comp. has an 8.1 system - I hates it.

 The target has a nice group with the .69 and is marked 10 shots but only at 50 yards. I was testing a mix of Pine Sol and WWWF.  2 of the shots were listed as offhand, one striking at lower left and one through the centre.  It was shot maybe 2 years ago, gee, maybe 3? as I was testing a somewhat new 15 bore mould I got from Jeff Tanner for shooting hard balls. It casts a .675" soft lead ball and .677" in WW metal. I note that I used a .675" pure lead ball and the 'heavy' denim which is .030" thick, along with 160gr. of 2f GOEX. I probably had only an 80gr. mould and used a double measure to get a hunting-type load.  Noted also on this page, is that this load shoots 2" at 100M.  The 10 shot group measures 1.096" centre to centre.

Found another that I'd shot with the .58 Kodiak after I found loads that regulated it's 2 barrels into one group at 50 yards shooting the same at 100yards as a load that shot parallel at 50, ie: into a 2 to 2 1/2" group at 100.  The group shows 3 rights, 3 lefts and runs 1.210" C to C.  Not bad for a gun that rarely regulates, using 100gr. 2F GOEX and .562: RB with .022" denim patch.(10 ounce) There is an extra hole in that target- that's called a flinch - yeah - me too. Sometimes I even flinch with the 14 bore.

 I'll see if my wife's Cannon Camera will work with this computer - this Dell XPS doesn't seem to like my Olympus SP-500UZ. The operating system for my camera is listed up to XP but worked just fine on my Vista system. I've lost the disk for my camera and the downloads from Olympus are not listed for this system.

If you can't make out the writing, holding the Ctrl button and pushing the + button will enlarge the screen. Pushing the ctrl button and scrolling the mouse wheel will do the same.  Pushing the ctrl button and the 0 button will return your screen back to normal size. I only suggest this for guys who did not know. I do not know if this works on MAC's.

[Daryl]

Her camera doesn't work either but I have a request for the appropriate drivers in to Canon - I will see what that brings.

[Kermit]

For some reason this reminded me of watching a kid try to use a rotary phone. He could read the numbers, so was poking his fingers into the dial's holes like they were buttons to push. Some days I feel really old...

[jamesthomas]

 A 160grns. of 2ff? with a .675 ball? are you kidding? No way would I even want to be near someone shooting that load. . Your crazy.

[PPatch]

For some reason this reminded me of watching a kid try to use a rotary phone. He could read the numbers, so was poking his fingers into the dial's holes like they were buttons to push. Some days I feel really old...

That's a hoot! Like the kid watching me shift a 3-speed on the column one day. He finally asked me if I was handicapped...

dave

[Daryl]

A 160grns. of 2ff? with a .675 ball? are you kidding? No way would I even want to be near someone shooting that load. . Your crazy.

Crazy? maybe - but it is not running any higher breech pressure than your .54 or .58 at the same velocity, 1,500fps. It does, however, kick a bit more than the little guns.

[Vomitus]

   Holes all over the place.

[D. Taylor Sapergia]

..buck and ball load, eh?

[WadePatton]

A 160grns. of 2ff? with a .675 ball? are you kidding? No way would I even want to be near someone shooting that load. . Your crazy.

it just goes boom!  

big powder for big ballz (and big patches too).  

and he )is( crazy.

...Like the kid watching me shift a 3-speed on the column one day. He finally asked me if I was handicapped...

didja tell 'em heck no, that you were indeed

handi-capable!?

that column shifting is for smart peeple?

[mountainman70]

That's a hoot! Like the kid watching me shift a 3-speed on the column one day. He finally asked me if I was handicapped...

dave


Dave P,there is a saying my 3stripe superviser in the motorpool shop had,back then,and I still use-Hire the handicapped,they're fun to watch!!!It has been appropriate for me on several occasions following carpal tunnel surgery back in 80's.Then I changed it to" we're fun to watch."
Every time I got my finger in the wrong hole on a rotary phone,I ended up with a new girlfriend.yes ,there is no end of the off color fun with thisn.I try to be goodboy here.Dave F

[mountainman70]

that column shifting is for smart peeple? Wink

Wade,that headlight dimmer switch thang got real corn fuzin back when they changed it from the floor to the column.I have a GM service bulletin re us Hillbillys  gittin our feet tangled up in th steerin wheel a tryin ta dim them infernal headlice.Dave

[Daryl]

Thanks to Mark who most kindly sent me the upload disk for my camera, I was able to get some pictures off my camera.

Here is my first test of the .675" (15 bore ball) and the heavy .030" patch I've been normally using with the .684" ball. I noticed an error - I should have subtracted .675", not .684"- making the group an actual 1.105", not 1.096".
note,  this 10 shot group also includes 2 shots offhand, one making the 7 o'clock hole and one going through the middle which didn't enlarge the group. Note also, this undersized ball with the thick patch does shoot into 2" at 100 meters. No idea where those targets are, might have gone out in the re-cycle bin.
one other target I'll add to this later, is of a .662" (16bore) ball, shot with 2, .017" denim patches. Looks as good or better than full sized balls. I don't think I shot the 16 bore balls at 100 meters. Different target face, so different day at the range.



Too bad I pulled the shot low but the 4 that all touch in the centre are visible as individual shots. The far right show, marked Flinched Baaaaaaaaad is most unfortunate, thus I fired a 6th shot. This group measures an actual 1.370"