lock for southern rifle

[Daniel]

 I know English locks are the best to use for a correct southern gun, so question.
Would a Davis Twigg be a good one to use ?  Not doing a squirrel gun, more a
southern rifle. I can't think of the words I want to say. Not enough coffee.

[Nate McKenzie]

You can't hardly beat a Chambers Late Ketland.

[Mike Brooks]

I know English locks are the best to use for a correct southern gun, so question.
Would a Davis Twigg be a good one to use ?  Not doing a squirrel gun, more a
southern rifle. I can't think of the words I want to say. Not enough coffee.

Time period?

[Daniel]

1790-1810 ish

[D. Taylor Sapergia]

The Davis Twigg is a BIG lock.

[Daniel]

Is it too big for like a 50 in b wt ya think ?  Or what others besides Chambers Late Ketland?
Trying to work with a budget.

[Dennis Glazener]

Is it too big for like a 50 in b wt ya think ?  Or what others besides Chambers Late Ketland?
Trying to work with a budget.

Yes I think the Twigg is too big for a B profile 50. Don't mean to be mean but a B profile 50 is not the proper barrel for any 1790-1810 southern rifle that I am familiar with.

As to budget the Twigg is $148 from Davis and the Late Ketland is $175.
Dennis

[Daniel]

 I got my wires crossed a bit. A Southern Virginia style. I did not mean a southern mountain rifle.
trying to make since. 

[Daniel]

 There is a Sheetz rifle I'm looking at on Aspen Shade. The lock looks similar to a Twigg
or a late Ketland that is larger.

[redheart]

Would an L&R John Bailes be Correct
It's a smaller English style and they say it's from the 1770-1810 period.
It's a beautiful little lock.

[flehto]

The pictured LR is an "Early Virginia" for what it's worth and the lock is a Davis Twigg.  The buttplate on this LR is 2-1/16" wide and the bbl is a "C" weight. 54 cal.,X44". As can be seen, the Twigg lock "fits right in on this slightly  robust LR. Whether the Twigg lock would be appropriate w/ a "B" weight bbl.....don't know. The Chambers Late Ketland certainly would be..... Fred

[D. Taylor Sapergia]

Lovely piece Fred!!

The Twigg and the Chambers Ketland have very similar architecture.  The first is just noticeably bigger.  When you are thinking about using one lock or the other for a build, draw some pictures.  Draw the barrel on a nice big piece of poster board.  Take a tracing of the lock plates from the locks you think you'd like to use, and lay them on the barrel, pan adjacent vent location.  See where the back of the fence lines up, and see where the forward lock nail is going to pass.  This you want as close to the centre of the forward end of the plate as possible, and just clearing the bottom of the barrel at the same time.  Now draw in your ramrod hole, in this case no more than 3/8" and possibly, only 5/16" for a nice tapered rod.  That'll tell you where the bottom of the stock will end up.  Does this make the stock too deep through the breech?  Your drawing will answer your questions for you.

[Daniel]

  Thank you. I will work on that.

[Mike Brooks]

I'd probably consider a Chambers Early Ketland and do some file work on it. I used the Trigg lock 2X and it sucked both times.
 Crapola....cain't remember the trade gun business name.... Anyway he sells a Barnett lock that may be just right. Have never used it though.
 How about one of those M&G locks...I don't even know what they offer but something there might be appropriate.

[Stoner creek]

Is it too big for like a 50 in b wt ya think ?  Or what others besides Chambers Late Ketland?
Trying to work with a budget.

The difference between the Chambers Late Ketland and anything else out there is the cost of dinner for 2 at the Golden Arches. Spend the money. You'll thank yourself after your project is finished.

[flinchrocket]

I'm curious to know which Sheetz rifle your looking to build. The unsigned Phillip Sheetz rifle has an
unusual looking lock that I would like to know who made! It may be a Barker Whatley or a reworked
french made lock, don't know. In any case if I were building a copy of that rifle I would use a Chambers
early virginia lock.
    I guess I should add that the round face English locks were not available during the American Revolution and not made after. Also it's my understanding that the Sheetz made a lot of their locks and
looked like the Siler locks made by Jim Chambers.

[Daniel]

The unsigned Phillip Sheetz.  I will do more research and see what we can do.

[Frank]

You can't hardly beat a Chambers Late Ketland.

This.

[Mike Brooks]

This may be a good choice.
http://www.redaviscompany.com/0973.html

[Daniel]

 Mike, I have been looking at that one.

[Mark Elliott]

I build mostly southern rifles and for the time period you specified,  I would use a Chambers Late Ketland.   There are not many options for high quality locks if you can't modify and make your own internals.   L&R has some really nice plate and cock designs but the internals usually need work.   

[Keb]

This may be a good choice.
http://www.redaviscompany.com/0973.html

That's a M&G lock made by Larry Zorne. Davis markets them. It's also the lock they use on them Ferguson rifles. MBS also sells them.

Link fixed. sorry :/

[Daniel]

  Interesting lock. MBS says it's 5 3/8 x 1  Davis says 5 7/8 x 1. Also no double set triggers
on the MBS lock because no fly.  That does look like the lock though.
Now are M&G locks good ? I thought they were. Is it true no use of dst with no fly?

Daniel

[Bob Roller]

  Interesting lock. MBS says it's 5 3/8 x 1  Davis says 5 7/8 x 1. Also no double set triggers
on the MBS lock because no fly.  That does look like the lock though.
Now are M&G locks good ? I thought they were. Is it true no use of dst with no fly?

Daniel

Some old rifles have no fly in the lock but used a trigger that had to be set all the time.
That's a bad idea then and now.Single trigger works fine with no fly in the lock as long
as it's not tuned to a light touch by altering the loc's full cock notch.

Bob Roller

[Dennis Glazener]

MBS also sells them.

KEB check your MBS link, its one of tracking USPS package!
Dennis