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David Crockett's rifle
« on: July 10, 2016, 05:36:31 PM »
There's a website (archive.org) that makes available an incredible assortment of local histories that can be downloaded in their original form.  I ran across one such book called "Life and Reminiscences of William G. Johnston".  Johnston was born at Pittsburgh, PA in 1828 and his book, published in 1901, contains great descriptions of life in that city during its earliest period.  He describes, for example the disassembly of Ft. Pitt and the use of the bricks for houses, including the one where he was born.

He mentions that Pittsburgh was a stopping point for many famous persons who were traveling either East or West and, when his father heard that the famous Davy Crockett was stopping there on his way home after serving in Congress he took six year old William to a tavern to meet Crockett.  Here's Johnston's description:

Shortly before my sixth birthday, it was my good fortune
to see one who in the annals of Western life will ever
hold a conspicuous place,—David Crockett...........

When I saw him he was on his way to his home in Tennessee, after serving two terms in
Congress, and having just made a tour through New
England, visiting the principal Eastern cities, and receiving
marked attention at the hands of many eminent
men. It was on the afternoon of a Sunday in the early
part of July, 1834, that I saw him. My father had
learned of his arrival by stage on the evening previous,
and took me to see him at his stopping-place, a tavern
at the corner of Market and Second Streets,........

Entering the large apartment used for the double
purpose of barroom and gentlemen’s parlor, we found
Crockett seated near a window conversing with a group
of citizens, who, either through curiosity, or from a desire
to pay their respects to the renowned visitor, had
called.
In the chimney-corner, near where he sat, stood a fine
rifle, of which he was proud. It was a present from
some Philadelphians, and had been made specially to
order for his use, and in such fashion as met his desires.
Doubtless it was the same weapon which about two years
later—March, 1836—Crockett used with such terrible
execution in the Alamo at San Antonio..........

"Life and Reminiscences of William G. Johnston"
Pittsburgh, 1901, pp. 46-47.
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Re: David Crockett's rifle
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2016, 02:31:04 AM »
Great information. Do we know any more about this rifle? Some records have David Crockett holding a Jacob Dickert rifle at the Alamo, however Jacob Dickert died in 1822.
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Re: David Crockett's rifle
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2016, 02:55:49 PM »
Somewhere about 1955, during the Davy Crockett craze, my Dad and I were in Washington D.C. for a visit and the Smithsonian had a Crockett display with a rifle that was presented to him by some group.  I remember it had a small placque on the butt but don't remember the wording.  Obviously not the Alamo rifle but still real exciting to a nine year old.  Maybe it's still at "The Nations Attic"

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Re: David Crockett's rifle
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2016, 03:49:12 AM »
The Philly Crockett rifle was a percussion, of which he was very enamored with. But either before, or en-route to Texas he bought a flint because of the unavailabilty of caps in Texas

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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2016, 03:02:42 AM »
I've have never been able to confirm this and maybe its just internet rumor but I've always thought he had a trade rifle at the Alamo. Possibly a Henry Derringer or a J.J. Henry trade rifle?

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Re: David Crockett's rifle
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2016, 01:56:09 PM »
This thread needs a photo........
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Re: David Crockett's rifle
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2016, 02:45:53 PM »
Oh, that's bad. No wonder he left it at home.  ;)

Interesting the information surrounding percussion caps in 1836. A glimpse into the real situation and real life on the frontier?

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Re: David Crockett's rifle
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2016, 02:54:26 PM »
That is one interesting looking rifle  ::)
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Re: David Crockett's rifle
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2016, 08:08:42 PM »
Maybe there was more than one reason he left this at home.   

Where is this rifle now?
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Re: David Crockett's rifle
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2016, 08:36:16 PM »
Phew! "Pretty Betsy" is one homely looking gun.
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Re: David Crockett's rifle
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2016, 09:27:22 PM »
I was aware of this rifle, and had known what it looked like for years.  The pistol-grip stock is not uncommon among Philadelphia makers of that period.

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Re: David Crockett's rifle
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2016, 10:42:34 PM »
Maybe there was more than one reason he left this at home.   

Where is this rifle now?

That is NOT a good looking rifle and probably there is another good reason
for nobody to try and copy it.

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Re: David Crockett's rifle
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2016, 11:54:49 PM »
The Philly Crockett rifle now is owned by an Austin Tx. (if I remember the city correctly) attorney. The guy will not let it be photographed or displayed at all.
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Re: David Crockett's rifle
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2016, 05:15:46 AM »
I'll take 'Old Betsy' over 'Pretty Betsy' any day.

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Re: David Crockett's rifle
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2016, 03:09:12 PM »
That pistol grip detail is a little too "phallic" for my taste.

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Re: David Crockett's rifle
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2016, 05:42:33 PM »

That is NOT a good looking rifle and probably there is another good reason
for nobody to try and copy it.

Bob Roller

One can easily imagine this group approaching a local gunmaker and describing what kind of rifle they think would be "pretty" for presenting to Crockett.  One can also surmise that the gunmaker probably suggested something a bit more traditional, along the lines of other Pennsylvania long rifles, but was over-ruled.    One can also wonder if Crockett planned to have a gunsmith remove that atrocious pistol-grip, just as soon as his business in Texas was wrapped up.  (Okay, this last point is a bit of a stretch...;)  )
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Re: David Crockett's rifle
« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2016, 06:33:06 PM »
Maybe it was a prototype for Jukkar?
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Re: David Crockett's rifle
« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2016, 08:38:00 PM »
That would surely be an early back action lock.  Maybe it's the poor photo but I don't see the usual screw at the tail of the lock.  Looks more like it was fastened from the other side as were flint locks.  Might be an early detail to distinguish this period from the later, hardware back action lock rifles.

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Re: David Crockett's rifle
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2016, 04:09:40 AM »
I'm sorry, but that thing is just plain ugly.

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Re: David Crockett's rifle
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2016, 04:23:48 AM »
The only redeeming feature is the wood. Looks to be tightly curled