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Offline runastav

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Building a Brown Bess with a Swedish Barrel
« on: May 11, 2017, 08:13:08 PM »
Hi Guys!
Starting building a Brown Bess, Not a exakt kopi. Will use a original Swedish M 1762?  cal 20mm , L-43" and lock kit and parts from TOTW  and Birch stock I know the Red Coats go bananas but wat a heck ;)
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Re: Building a Brown Bess with a Swedish Barrel
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2017, 11:16:49 PM »
Looks like another great follow along starting up. Looking forward again to following your progress.  :)

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Re: Building a Brown Bess with a Swedish Barrel
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2017, 12:29:17 AM »
Good to hear from you runastav. Looking forward to following your build. Looks like a fun project.

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Re: Building a Brown Bess with a Swedish Barrel
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2017, 12:39:26 AM »
Hi Runastav!
Great project.  Below is a link to a Brown Bess tutorial I put together on another forum:
http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/302948/

It discusses my methods of refurbishing a Pedersoli Brown Bess to make it more historically accurate.  The Pedersoli Bess is a rough copy of the pattern 1769 British short land musket.  Your plans, lock, and hardware are for an earlier pattern 1742 British long land pattern musket.  Consequently, there are key differences from the Bess I discuss but if you read the complete discussions there is a lot of good historical information about construction and design pertinent to your build.  I am also embarking on a Bess build so we can share notes on the forum.  I am building a militia musket that could have been carried by a militiaman from New Jersey during the early part of our war of independence. It represent an old commercially made musket based on the pattern 1742 Bess restocked locally in curly maple.  Basically, I am going to build exactly the same thing you are building (except upgraded for a steel ramrod) using maple instead of birch.  I'll post pictures as you do.

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Re: Building a Brown Bess with a Swedish Barrel
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2017, 01:17:41 AM »
This is going to be interesting to me. Can't wait to follow along.

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Re: Building a Brown Bess with a Swedish Barrel
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2017, 07:04:58 PM »
Hi Guys and thank you all! smart dog, yes I see this artikel earlier and fix my Pedersoli BB similar as you discribe thank you :)I have the nice BB book, and will try to make an early mod with wood ramrod like to have the gun as light as posible.the barrel is now innlett.
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Re: Building a Brown Bess with a Swedish Barrel
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2017, 07:41:02 PM »
Hi guys, ramrod hole done succsess ;) I must make 2 ramrodpipes.
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Re: Building a Brown Bess with a Swedish Barrel
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2017, 04:17:38 PM »
Hi All!
Made 2 ramrodpipes, the rear is from TOTW.
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Re: Building a Brown Bess with a Swedish Barrel
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2017, 12:57:34 PM »
Hi All!
The original breach plug was much to loos, so the cure was to use a bigger tap with same TPI a 1"Withworth 8 TPI. The tang will be weld on
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Re: Building a Brown Bess with a Swedish Barrel
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2017, 12:49:31 PM »
Hi Guys!
Tang welded on the breach plug and innlet
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Re: Building a Brown Bess with a Swedish Barrel
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2017, 07:52:57 PM »
Hi All!
Will use the the tumbler and sear from the Pedersoli lock for copying new part
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Re: Building a Brown Bess with a Swedish Barrel
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2017, 06:07:51 PM »
I am really enjoying this build Runastav.  Keep it coming.
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Re: Building a Brown Bess with a Swedish Barrel
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2017, 06:31:20 PM »
Hi,
Great thread!!  Thanks for sharing.  If you are going to use a Pedersoli Bess lock on which to model the internal parts, I urge you to cut the full cock notch on the tumbler about 1.5mm closer to the half cock notch than it is on the Pedersoli. That will shorten the ridiculously long throw of the flintcock on the Pedersoli lock, speed it up a little, but more importantly, substantially reduce the chance that the sear will get caught in the halfcock notch when firing.  Original Besses had very heavy trigger pulls that eliminated that problem but if you want to adjust the trigger to a much lighter pull, you may find the lock hangs up at half cock when firing.  Even if it does not hang up, you may notice wear on the lip of the halfcock notch after you have fired a few dozen rounds.

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Re: Building a Brown Bess with a Swedish Barrel
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2017, 12:23:59 PM »
Hi Guys, and thank you Taylor and smart dog!
smart dog, I will remember when file the notch ;)
The thumbler I make from a oil hardening 32mm bolt
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Re: Building a Brown Bess with a Swedish Barrel
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2017, 01:55:51 PM »
Hi Runastav,
Below is a photo of a Pedersoli Bess tumbler with the new full cock notch marked and cut.  I had not finished cleaning up the notch so you can still see where the old notch was located.



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Re: Building a Brown Bess with a Swedish Barrel
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2017, 07:21:58 PM »
WOW!  It is amazing and impressive to watch your progress.  Please keep the photos coming.....Mick
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Re: Building a Brown Bess with a Swedish Barrel
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2017, 11:01:01 PM »
Runastav,
Your my hero! Making firearms would be a lot more affordable to me if I used what was around instead of trying to buy everything. I gotta learn to think outside the box more. Great idea making that tumbler.
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Re: Building a Brown Bess with a Swedish Barrel
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2017, 02:01:31 AM »
Go get'm Runastav! Nice work, and the lock is looking good.

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Re: Building a Brown Bess with a Swedish Barrel
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2017, 12:31:01 PM »
Hi All! And thank you guys!
Tumbler is now in the white(Unharden) and next willbe the scear made from a bit of a old Lawn Mower Knife nice steel ;)
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Re: Building a Brown Bess with a Swedish Barrel
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2017, 06:21:07 PM »
Thanks for sharing your "progress reports" and especially the photos!  It really helps me to understand the process.

One question, did the barrel come with the pinning tenons already attached to it?

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Re: Building a Brown Bess with a Swedish Barrel
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2017, 01:19:51 PM »
Hi All, and taco650 yes I use a old original barrel
So is the scear ready.
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Re: Building a Brown Bess with a Swedish Barrel
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2017, 02:48:43 PM »
Wonderful how you take what ever is laying around and repurpose it into parts for your builds.Nicely done runastav,always a treat watching your builds come together.

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Re: Building a Brown Bess with a Swedish Barrel
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2017, 03:12:53 AM »
Good work there!  I'm going to start a Long Land Brown Bess In the near future as well.
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Re: Building a Brown Bess with a Swedish Barrel
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2017, 03:50:56 AM »
An excellent display of creativity and skill, Runar!  Good fun to watch your build.

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Re: Building a Brown Bess with a Swedish Barrel
« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2017, 08:30:47 PM »
Hi All, and thank you guys!
The inside mek is komplete, smart dog (Kloke Hund in Norwegian ;))you think to long a hammer throw still? The scear spring I anneel was wery wery stiff.
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