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Offline Eddie Southgate

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Re: How Much is too Much Powder
« Reply #50 on: November 13, 2017, 03:28:14 AM »
I think it was Norman Brockway from Vermont back in the 18&whenevers that shot over snow
to determine when to stop loading too much powder. Now that real black powder is around $30
or more a pound it pays to take a close look.The Medina Hawken has a flask with it the throws a
maximum of 85 grains for a 58 caliber gun. The flask has an adjustable spout.The old measure was
to lay a ball in the palm of your hand and pour powder over it until it was JUST covered.That works fine
and my own grandfather 1873-1972 used it and told me about it..

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   My pap told me for target shooting use 1 grain per caliber + 5  , add about 10-15 grains for deer . I have tried the cover the ball method and best I remember it works out about the same .

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Re: How Much is too Much Powder
« Reply #51 on: November 13, 2017, 12:12:25 PM »
I use what the gun tells me to use.  That means I use what the gun shoots best with.  If you use really thin patches that burn or blow out with anything but light charges, it will shoot best with 1gr.

to bore size, or a tiny bit more. If you use a combination that actually seal the powder gases behind the patched ball with heavy loads, you will find your gun is a LOT more accurate than ever

before and you need more powder than what some of the old tales tell you to use.

If you never shoot past 50yards, fine - use whatever you want. We have targets at rendezvous, out to 200yards and beyond.  Locally, much closer, only out to 109yards.  Shooting accurately at

 those ranges (especially 200+), requires more than the 78gr. .58 deer load mentioned above.  That can actually depend on the rate of twist in the rifling.  75gr. 2F with a decent ball and patch load (.575" ball &

 .022" patch, in my Enfield) produced 1,308fps.  That load actually shot well in the 48" twist Enfield Musketoon and made a 3", 5 shot group at 100 meters for me and would do just fine for deer,

likely to that 100 meter range.
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Re: How Much is too Much Powder
« Reply #52 on: November 13, 2017, 11:46:53 PM »
Who in their right mind would shoot a deer at 200yds with open sights? The front bead/blade would be bigger than the whole deer. How do you aim for the kill zone?

Let's not mix up target shooting with hunting.

I've shot coyote at 500yds with a .243, but will still try and get as close as possible for big game with a ML. It's way more fun and challenging. Lot's of guys can shoot. Not everybody can get close. You can even get close on open ground if you try hard enough.
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Re: How Much is too Much Powder
« Reply #53 on: November 14, 2017, 09:13:56 PM »
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"If you never shoot past 50yards, fine - use whatever you want. We have targets at rendezvous, out to 200yards and beyond.  Locally, much closer, only out to 109yards.  Shooting accurately at

 those ranges (especially 200+), requires more than the 78gr. .58 deer load mentioned above. "



Did you not read the text - or did you just see 200yards and fly off your handle? No one has said anything about shooting deer at 200yards with open sights.

You are the only one who said anything about shooting animals at 200yards. BTW - the front sight is not larger than a deer at 200yards - well, mine aren't, just saying.
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Re: How Much is too Much Powder
« Reply #54 on: November 14, 2017, 09:21:47 PM »
Yes, I read it and it could be taken as if you want your deer load to shoot past 50yds you need to use more than 78gr. You even give 200yds as an example of one of the longer yardages.

It's never good to mix up target loads with deer loads. I can always be taken the wrong way.

Not sure what you have for sights, but the average hunting rifle front sight will cover a deer at 200yds. A Hawken for sure. If you use some target sights it won't be what most hunters use. Hunting sights should be bigger to pick up fast in hunting situations.
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Re: How Much is too Much Powder
« Reply #55 on: November 14, 2017, 11:08:58 PM »
The past weekend in WV there were huge pastures all around.  A large buck with a doe was spotted in a field.  I could only see them when they moved; like watching a period at the end of a sentence move.  A range finder put them at 455 yards.  I wouldn't attempt that with a powerful gun/scope combo.  But it did provide an education as to critters at extreme range.  I could only see them as "deer" when using the powerful binocular we had.  I always thought of 100 yards a "long range" for deer and prb.
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Re: How Much is too Much Powder
« Reply #56 on: November 15, 2017, 12:47:12 AM »
Me too.
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Re: How Much is too Much Powder
« Reply #57 on: November 15, 2017, 02:02:24 AM »
What is "long range" to some might not be to others. I would think all the variables of making  the shot would have a lot to do with the definition. Caliber, optimum load combo, shooter skill, local and it's current conditions (wind,light,etc.) and I'm sure others. I have several rifles that are capable of making 200 yd. shots if the shooter is up to the task. I'm not. But I would not pass on a 125+ yd. standing shot on a deer if I had a rest and the light was agreeable. 15 years ago it would have been 150 yd.

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Re: How Much is too Much Powder
« Reply #58 on: November 15, 2017, 04:24:50 AM »
You wouldn't even consider it with my vision.
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Re: How Much is too Much Powder
« Reply #59 on: November 15, 2017, 10:15:00 PM »
I've made a couple of deer kills at around 100 yards (+ or -).  I know many of you are quite capable of making kills quite a bit farther; not so sure I can.  I'll take a 100 yd shot - maybe a tad farther - under excellent conditions with a rested rifle.  I much prefer them under 50.
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