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Offline Justin Urbantas

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Dembart veiner tools??
« on: January 23, 2018, 07:22:35 AM »
I heard some people use the dembart veiner tools to outline carving, and cut incised lines. Their website lists a 60 and 90 degree tool. Which one do you use, or are both useful?? Thanks guys

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Re: Dembart veiner tools??
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2018, 07:53:11 AM »
I don't have a dembart but I use a 60 degree sharpcut IIRC. and I like it.

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Re: Dembart veiner tools??
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2018, 07:54:02 AM »
Justin, I use a 60 degree Dembart.  It works for incised carving as well - used one some on this rifle.





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Offline Justin Urbantas

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Re: Dembart veiner tools??
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2018, 08:30:42 AM »
Justin, I use a 60 degree Dembart.  It works for incised carving as well - used one some on this rifle.





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Very nice looking. How do you sharpen your veiner?  Seems tricky

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Re: Dembart veiner tools??
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2018, 09:38:44 AM »
Here's a link to a very long and very wordy treatise on V-tools and sharpening. You can probably skim the obvious stuff and go straight to the sharpening. (Note that the tool this guy is using is many times larger than a Dembart!)

http://www.bob-easton.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/SelectingAndSharpeningYourVtool.pdf

I also recommend the 60 degree tool. I have a Dembart and also a palm-sized V-tool I think from  Pfeil. They both work fine.

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Re: Dembart veiner tools??
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2018, 09:40:34 AM »
Thanks Justin, and as for your comment, yes it is kinda tricky sharpening a v-gouge!
Here are some links that describe the process pretty well, hope they help some.

http://www.finewoodworking.com/2009/10/29/sharpening-the-v-tool
https://makezine.com/2015/11/02/sharpening-gouges-v-chisels/

and the ultimate authority: http://www.bob-easton.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/SelectingAndSharpeningYourVtool.pdf

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Re: Dembart veiner tools??
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2018, 09:41:59 AM »
Oops looks like Gregg beat me to the Bob Easton link!

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Offline Cody Tetachuk

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Re: Dembart veiner tools??
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2018, 03:22:09 PM »
For clarification, a "veiner" or "Veining tool" is "U" shaped and gets it's name from it's use in adding Veins to leaves. A "V" shaped cutter is a "parting tool" or V cutter.

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Re: Dembart veiner tools??
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2018, 07:04:15 PM »
For clarification, a "veiner" or "Veining tool" is "U" shaped and gets it's name from it's use in adding Veins to leaves. A "V" shaped cutter is a "parting tool" or V cutter.
Cody,
You beat me to it.  I was going to post a clarification. 
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Re: Dembart veiner tools??
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2018, 07:25:39 PM »
For clarification, a "veiner" or "Veining tool" is "U" shaped and gets it's name from it's use in adding Veins to leaves. A "V" shaped cutter is a "parting tool" or V cutter.

Thanks, I was also confused by this difference.

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Re: Dembart veiner tools??
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2018, 07:27:48 PM »
For my V tool, I use a slipstrop block like this:
https://www.woodcraft.com/products/flexcut-slipstrop-sharpening-kit?gclid=CjwKCAiA15vTBRAHEiwA7Snfc6HK5Ou3BuR8yezpvZxPoCV2dP_wwi4ADZPcnBsTYzREweRUwMxaihoC_DwQAvD_BwE

Haven't needed to use a stone or anything on it yet even though I'm sure it would benefit.

Offline Justin Urbantas

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Re: Dembart veiner tools??
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2018, 07:35:49 PM »
For clarification, a "veiner" or "Veining tool" is "U" shaped and gets it's name from it's use in adding Veins to leaves. A "V" shaped cutter is a "parting tool" or V cutter.
Cody,
You beat me to it.  I was going to post a clarification. 
David
Oh. I thought they were both the same thing. What is the advantage or one over the other for cutting incised lines or outlining carving?

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Re: Dembart veiner tools??
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2018, 08:17:23 PM »
The v tool has a sharper angle in the bottom.. nearly a V..

Veiners are more U shaped.  I don't know if they actually have a place to cutting relief or incised lines?  I guess if you had a VERY narrow one..I'd think the U vs the sharper V would give a softer line..


Veiners are typically used for modeling leaves or whatever in relief carving..

Be interested to hear from some that are more knowledgeable. 

Offline Cody Tetachuk

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Re: Dembart veiner tools??
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2018, 02:38:53 AM »
Depending on the type of incise you are doing and the effect you are after either can be used. If you are doing  simple incise lines/outline, I find a very small veiner (U shape) to be great as you can easily maintain a consistent line diameter. If you want/need your lines to have varied width for effect then a V tool is much better. JMO. Others' mileage may vary.