Author Topic: T.K. Dawson double rifle (Read 5406 times)

mark brier · « **on:** March 31, 2018, 10:46:06 PM »

Gentleman I thought some of you might enjoy seeing one of the three double rifle that my grandfather built around 40 years ago.
Mark Brier

Eric Kettenburg · « **Reply #1 on:** March 31, 2018, 11:27:39 PM »

That's spectacular! Your grandfather had an awesome talent.

Bob Roller · « **Reply #2 on:** March 31, 2018, 11:50:01 PM »

I remember making a pair of locks for Tom from English castings he sent
to me.Are these the locks? I remember being very dissatisfied with them
after putting in a lot of work on them.
He also built another double rifle using a magnificent pair of French locks
he bought at Friendship in the Fall of 1970 (maybe).That evening while we
we all waiting for Helen to get the steaks ready a man came into the camp
and wanted to know if the man who bought those fine locks was there.
Tom told him he indeed had bought them.The man asked if he wanted to
sell them because he had been trying to get them at a reduced price earlier
that day.Tom told him that when you find that kind of quality and workmanship
that was unused that wheedling over the cost was foolish and he bought them
on the spot.Helen said dinner was done but the man kept on trying to buy them
and then Homer Shafer spoke up and told him he was being a PITA and to get
out of the camp.
Thanks for reviving a long dormant memory.

Bob Roller

Joe S. · « **Reply #3 on:** April 01, 2018, 12:39:25 AM »

That's a nice double for sure,your grandfather had some real talent there.He was way ahead of the curve.

mark brier · « **Reply #4 on:** April 01, 2018, 01:38:49 AM »

Bob, I wish I could answer you for certain but i just do not know if these particular locks are the ones you worked on or not.
Mark

Mike Brooks · « **Reply #5 on:** April 01, 2018, 01:44:07 AM »

I was up in the late Roy Gerbsch's attic in Danville Ill. about 20 years ago and got to handle a couple of your Grand Pap's gun's. One was a Hawken and the other was an English rifle if I recall correctly. Both VERY nice guns.

n stephenson · « **Reply #6 on:** April 01, 2018, 05:13:26 PM »

Very Nice!! Thanks for showing. Nate

WH1 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 01, 2018, 05:22:34 PM »

WOW just WOW, beautiful.

D. Taylor Sapergia · « **Reply #8 on:** April 01, 2018, 08:08:50 PM »

Phenomenal workmanship. Just outstanding.

Daryl · « **Reply #9 on:** April 01, 2018, 08:22:49 PM »

Yes indeed - isn't that lovely - and of decent bore size as well - most fitting - 14 bore by any chance, Mark?
Thank you for posting this rifle.

Bob Roller · « **Reply #10 on:** April 01, 2018, 09:19:01 PM »

I see only one trigger which brings back another memory on one of the locks.
It had a tumbler bearing that was much longer than normal and Tom had me mill
a small square on it and the drill and tap it for a 2x64 pan head screw.I recall
him saying he was making a modification of an old Holland&Holland Patent for
a selective single trigger on a double gun.Maybe this is it......maybe.
Can we see the other 2 double rifles?

Bob Roller

mark brier · « **Reply #11 on:** April 01, 2018, 09:53:29 PM »

Daryl, is is 27ga.
Bob, my aunt has the percussion double i I can get pictures of it easily enough, just have to catch her at home which won't be hard it's about a 10 mile trip. The third double I have is also mine but it is a cartridge gun and I know I can't post it here. In the over the back fence section maybe?

Moderators?
Mark Brier

BOB HILL · « **Reply #12 on:** April 09, 2018, 03:08:20 PM »

Mark, your grandfather was a very talented gentleman. I know he would be proud to know that you are carrying on the tradition with the fine work you are doing. Thanks for sharing his and your work with us. Keep on keeping on.
Bob

hornturner · « **Reply #13 on:** April 09, 2018, 03:42:45 PM »

Mark;
I'm sure I must have seen and handled that rifle on one of my visits to Tom's basement. It is a real treat to see it again so many years later. Thanks for posting these pictures.

Art DeCamp

Pukka Bundook · « **Reply #14 on:** April 09, 2018, 04:18:10 PM »

Mark,

This is High quality work! Never seen better period engraving I don't think.
Your grandfather was a Very talented man.

Ky-Flinter · « **Reply #15 on:** April 10, 2018, 03:20:50 PM »

Quote from: mark brier on April 01, 2018, 09:53:29 PM

........ The third double I have is also mine but it is a cartridge gun and I know I can't post it here. In the over the back fence section maybe? Moderators?
Mark Brier

Hi Mark,

First, thanks for posting your grandfather's double rifle. Wonderful piece.

I'm sure many here, myself included, would love to see the cartridge double, but ALR rules do not allow it, even in OTBF.

-Ron

Daryl · « **Reply #16 on:** April 10, 2018, 09:54:56 PM »

Quote from: mark brier on April 01, 2018, 09:53:29 PM

Daryl, is is 27ga.
Bob, my aunt has the percussion double i I can get pictures of it easily enough, just have to catch her at home which won't be hard it's about a 10 mile trip. The third double I have is also mine but it is a cartridge gun and I know I can't post it here. In the over the back fence section maybe? Moderators?
Mark Brier

I wonder where the barrels came from - .56" (or very close)
my list shows .557" for 27 bore.

Bob Roller · « **Reply #17 on:** April 11, 2018, 02:17:15 AM »

I was visiting Tom right before election day of 1976 and saw 2 Bill Large round
blanks that were 58 caliber. I would say these are now a major part of that rifle.
Tom had just bought an old Atlas 10F lathe and was going to use it to contour
those barrels. He also got Hardinge spin fixture in that purchase and thought
it was part of the lathe and I showed him what it was really for and that there
was no place on the lathe for it. He asked me if I could use it in my shop and I
told him I could and asked him what he wanted for it.It was a costly tool even in
1976 but he said he couldn't use it so he gave it to me.I still have it and have used
its indexing capabilities to make reamers.It is designed for use on a milling machine
and I sent him a picture of it mounted on my mill.

Bob Roller

mark brier · « **Reply #18 on:** April 11, 2018, 03:45:49 AM »

I do know that one set was a pair of Douglas octagon barrels that he turned round.

Bob, his old lathe is in my shop and still turning out parts and pieces. I took it clear down completely apart a year ago and rebuilt it. Going strong. However I have been considering taking it back apart to take the ways into work and surface grind them. But I can't decide, I would have to shim back up if I did.
Mark Brier

Bob Roller · « **Reply #19 on:** April 11, 2018, 04:14:10 PM »

Mark,
Does that lathe have babbit bearings or the tapered Timkens? My old 10F is from
1934 and I traded a Hawken lock for it in 1974. It's a 10x36.It's babbit and my
12x36 is from 1943 and has Timkens.I bought it in 1958 from the original owner.
To check the head and tail stock alignment on these or an other lathe,use 2 new
dead centers,a #2 Morse in the tail stock and a #3 Morse taper in the head stock
spindle.Make sure both tapered holes are CLEAN and then insert the centers and
slide the tail stock until the points of the centers touch.Chances are they will not
and even new ones were off vertically as much as .008. if it gives repeated accuracy
in turning at a predetermined setting I would do nothing to it.Parts are still available from
the Clausing Corp in Kalamazoo,Michigan.

Bob Roller

mark brier · « **Reply #20 on:** April 11, 2018, 04:50:41 PM »

Bob, it has timken bearings. Sometimes wish I had a taper attachment for it but I get by.
Mark

Ed Wenger · « **Reply #21 on:** April 13, 2018, 03:49:23 AM »

Beautiful piece!! Your Grandfather knew what he was doing! Thanks for sharing.

Ed

Bob Roller · « **Reply #22 on:** April 14, 2018, 04:00:24 PM »

Quote from: Ky-Flinter on April 10, 2018, 03:20:50 PM

Quote from: mark brier on April 01, 2018, 09:53:29 PM
........ The third double I have is also mine but it is a cartridge gun and I know I can't post it here. In the over the back fence section maybe? Moderators?
Mark Brier

Hi Mark,

First, thanks for posting your grandfather's double rifle. Wonderful piece.

I'm sure many here, myself included, would love to see the cartridge double, but ALR rules do not allow it, even in OTBF.

-Ron

Mark,
Send the pictures of the breechloader to me <bobroller@frontier.com>I think I knw
which one it is.

Bob Roller

lost arrow 801 · « **Reply #23 on:** August 22, 2018, 05:18:13 AM »

Your a lucky man to have such an heirloom

Bob Roller · « **Reply #24 on:** August 22, 2018, 04:30:13 PM »

The locks on the gun shown ARE the locks Tom bought at Friendship all
those years ago. I made a pair from some castings from Dixie and was
NOT a bit happy with them but Tom Thought they were OK.

Bob Roller

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