Author Topic: Does anyone have any idea what area this rifle may be from? (Read 4261 times)

Dennis Glazener · « **on:** July 01, 2018, 12:45:22 AM »

A friend of mine owns this rifle and is seeking any kind of information that anyone might have regarding where it might have been made? By whom? Or anything else that might strike a chord with them.
Thanks
Dennis

Nate McKenzie · « **Reply #1 on:** July 01, 2018, 02:18:21 AM »

East Tennessee?

Stoner creek · « **Reply #2 on:** July 01, 2018, 05:09:36 AM »

Where are your Fiddler? This one is right in your wheelhouse!!!

Dennis Glazener · « **Reply #3 on:** July 01, 2018, 02:09:40 PM »

I think it's an E TN rifle but maybe others think other wise. Interesting way the rear trigger guard extension meets the toe plate.
Dennis

heinz · « **Reply #4 on:** July 01, 2018, 02:46:42 PM »

I think I would go with East Tennesse. The guard seems to be Bean influenced and the triggers are very plain. And the curly maple is sorta North Carolina looking. Nice gun!

Mark Elliott · « **Reply #5 on:** July 01, 2018, 09:57:05 PM »

It screams E. TN to me. Do you have reason to think it might be from somewhere else?

Cades Cove Fiddler · « **Reply #6 on:** July 01, 2018, 10:37:52 PM »

... Wow,... good to see a "new" one,... I like 'em,... !! ... I will call Unicoi Co., TN,... without holding in hand is difficult to venture a guess as to the builder,... there are certain "markers" that help,...the almost touching rear T/G extension and toe-plate make me think one of the McInturff gunsmiths,.. they used this a lot,... Now, more things that might help,... Is she full-stock,...?? .... barrel length & cal,..?? ... photos of cheek-rest and lock-bolt plate or washer,..?? ... ramrod entry pipe,...are there any marks such as punched circles on muzzle,...

.... would like to see this one in person,...!!! ... thanx for shareing this one,... Regards, ... C C Fiddler,...

Dennis Glazener · « **Reply #7 on:** July 02, 2018, 11:12:24 PM »

Here are a couple of photos of the barrel markings. Note the crescent figure.
Any of you East TN guys recognize the initials?

Dennis

Cades Cove Fiddler · « **Reply #8 on:** July 03, 2018, 01:10:33 AM »

...just as I thought,.... Gabriel McInturff,.......... regards, & lovin' it,.... C C Fiddler,....!!!!

WadePatton · « **Reply #9 on:** July 03, 2018, 01:27:36 AM »

When it's not a bother, I'd like to see a profile of the buttplate. No muzzle markings? Is the pull as short as it looks or a pic/angle thing? Thanks for sharing.

Dennis Glazener · « **Reply #10 on:** July 04, 2018, 01:16:46 AM »

OK here are a measurements and a few more photos:

The caliber is 35 and lop is 14” to the set trigger.

mountainman70 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 04, 2018, 03:14:05 AM »

What a sweet ol rifle gun ! Thanks for sharing,Dennis. Dave

wormey · « **Reply #12 on:** July 04, 2018, 03:46:33 AM »

What a beautiful rifle! It`s hard for me to believe the man who built this rifle made and/or inletted that patchbox, though.

Nordnecker · « **Reply #13 on:** July 04, 2018, 02:21:50 PM »

I recently read that a crescent is "the heraldic mark of a second son". Although this referred to a family crest carved above the door of a residence.

Dennis Glazener · « **Reply #14 on:** July 04, 2018, 04:57:05 PM »

I asked my friend if the area in front of the nose cap was bare wood or just an accumulation of crud over the years. His reply: "The cap has no metal front. The wood stock is inlet to fit the octagon barrel and is exposed at the muzzle end". Thought that was unusual.
Dennis

scottmc · « **Reply #15 on:** July 04, 2018, 05:24:39 PM »

A friend of mine has a William Douglas that has the same typee of nose cap configuration. Might be more common than we think.

Dennis Glazener · « **Reply #16 on:** July 04, 2018, 06:10:55 PM »

Oh its not unusual to see the open end nose cap. I have seen several rifles made by the Gillespie's in the Mills River shop. I think, IIRC that Harvey G did a few that way and I can't remember the others.

I am not an expert on E TN rifles but I don't think I have seen any from that area with open ended nose caps. If others have I am sure they will chime in here.
Dennis

Dennis Glazener · « **Reply #17 on:** July 04, 2018, 06:19:54 PM »

Kind of interesting to see how Gabriel McInturff signed this rifle:
http://www.damonmills.com/PS%20Pages/PS%2039/McInturff%203342.htm

The G . M and he elevated C looks close to what is on this rifle. Similar stock profile, I agree with CCF that this might possibly be a Gabriel McInturff rifle.
Dennis

B.Barker · « **Reply #18 on:** July 07, 2018, 05:20:59 AM »

Nice rifle Dennis, thanks for sharing.

wattlebuster · « **Reply #19 on:** July 07, 2018, 03:21:25 PM »

Thats a purty rifle regardless the maker. I bet it supplied many a tree rat for the cookpot

oldtravler61 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 07, 2018, 03:38:45 PM »

Diffianatly E.Tennessee an if old C.C.F. says Unicoi county I'm good with it. Oldtravler

Cades Cove Fiddler · « **Reply #21 on:** July 09, 2018, 11:54:13 PM »

.... Got to go visit her yesterday,.... Do believe she is an original Gabriel McInturff,... maybe even a converted flint,...(cap-lock doesn't fit inlet exactly, and some wood replaced behind hammer on top of lock panel),...poor job on replaced patchbox ,...missing lock-bolt plate... everything else I believe to be on the rifle when she was built,... neat little Unicoi Co., TN rifle,... always good to see these that have been hiding,... !!! ... Owner graciously allowed me to handle & take photos,... he had recently fired her and says is pretty accurate at around 40 yards,... !!!... enjoy more pix,... Regards,... Cades Cove Fiddler ....

Hurricane ( of Virginia) · « **Reply #22 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:20:11 PM »

Wonder if the "elevated "C" was a misplaced stamp strike?

Dennis Glazener · « **Reply #23 on:** July 11, 2018, 12:50:58 AM »

If you look At the McInturff at this url
http://www.damonmills.com/PS%20Pages/PS%2039/McInturff%203342.htm
you will see he stamped the c the same way.
Dennis

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