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William Schreckengost
« on: October 29, 2018, 03:48:17 AM »
December Rock Island Auction has a William Schreckengost rifle to be sold.

I know a couple of you fellows are fans.

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/75/3154/william-schreckengost-signed-percussion-pennsylvania-long-rifle

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Re: William Schreckengost
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2018, 05:12:58 AM »
Iím stunned. The signature is faked. Not his hand and misspelled Shreckengosh. Never thought I would see the day
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Re: William Schreckengost
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2018, 02:13:34 PM »
I wonder if the spelling is on purpose?

It was not uncommon for some folks to make a minor change in a well known gun makers name to help market their products.  Belgium guns come to mind.

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Re: William Schreckengost
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2018, 02:21:15 PM »
They do state:

William Schreckengost (1821-1894) is part of the extended line of Schreckengost (also spelled various other ways including Schreckengosh)

Has anyone seen this before or know if this is true?

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Re: William Schreckengost
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2018, 03:05:08 PM »
So then is the S'mister claiming it is falsely represented?  Is it even"old"?    Is it in the "style of" the claimed maker?

Whatever... it is a pleasant looking firearm.  One might think it would carry a higher pre-auction estimate.

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Re: William Schreckengost
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2018, 06:40:28 PM »
I'd sure trust Rob Watt's opinion on whether that is a genuine Schreckengost with different spelling, or a fake. I don't think there's anyone in the collecting community with more knowledge, as well as a link to that family of gunsmiths.

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Re: William Schreckengost
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2018, 07:02:46 PM »
Having examined nearly 80 Shreckengost rifles to date.  None are signed GOSH.  The various spellings are Shreckengost, Schreckengost,
Schrecengost, Schrecongost and Schreckengast (George's descendants).  Nobody ever put and GOSH on the end.  I've also never seen him
sign a barrel without his fleur de lis on both sides of the signature.
























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Re: William Schreckengost
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2018, 07:21:43 PM »
So then is the S'mister claiming it is falsely represented?  Is it even"old"?    Is it in the "style of" the claimed maker?

Whatever... it is a pleasant looking firearm.  One might think it would carry a higher pre-auction estimate.

All of the elements are correct except the signature.
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Re: William Schreckengost
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2018, 07:23:22 PM »
They do state:

William Schreckengost (1821-1894) is part of the extended line of Schreckengost (also spelled various other ways including Schreckengosh)

Has anyone seen this before or know if this is true?

Fleener

   I've been researching the family for 10 years and I've not seen a reference to gosh.  I would question it as an error if it's written somewhere.
This is still a nice gun.
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Re: William Schreckengost
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2018, 02:08:06 AM »
It's a dandy rifle! 

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Re: William Schreckengost
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2018, 03:27:20 PM »
Shreck built rifle...faked signature and engraving.
His son Levi was a horrendous speller, but , he NEVER misspelled his own name....just sayin ::)
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Re: William Schreckengost
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2018, 10:30:45 PM »
This one turned out to be an auction sleeper.  It's a great example of his work.  Definitely made for sunday go shooting matches.












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Re: William Schreckengost
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2018, 03:37:57 PM »






Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.

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Re: William Schreckengost
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2018, 11:56:50 PM »
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This one turned out to be an auction sleeper.  It's a great example of his work.
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Iím stunned. The signature is faked. Not his hand and misspelled Shreckengosh. Never thought I would see the day
Well then, please explain the faked "gosh"...Ö.  ???
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Re: William Schreckengost
« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2019, 01:27:29 AM »
 Yeah I just donít care about that. It doesnít take away anything from the rest of the work. I think they traced the original signature when they did it except for the very last letter.
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Re: William Schreckengost
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2019, 08:30:21 PM »
Interestingly, I just came across this document signed by William's son Lincoln and his T looks like an H.  Makes me wonder.



Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.

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Re: William Schreckengost
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2019, 09:10:34 PM »
Interestingly, I just came across this document signed by William's son Lincoln and his T looks like an H.  Makes me wonder.



Check the script of his writing of "Smith" at the top ..... apparently his "t" is different from his letter "h" , so no need to wonder

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Re: William Schreckengost
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2019, 08:26:38 AM »
I wonder who got that one. Nice rifle.