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Offline JohnHBryan

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Joseph Carper fullstock flintlock?
« on: February 07, 2019, 03:51:45 AM »
I know there is a Carper descendant/expert here. This came out of a WV farmhouse along with a James Honaker. It looks like the signature could be a JC? Did Carper ever sign this way? Other thoughts?









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Re: Joseph Carper fullstock flintlock?
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2019, 04:12:57 AM »
John go up to the search function and search for Joseph Carper. The info you seek should come up. Tim

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Re: Joseph Carper fullstock flintlock?
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2019, 04:24:06 AM »
I didnít see anything on his signature, but maybe I missed something....

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Re: Joseph Carper fullstock flintlock?
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2019, 05:03:14 AM »
I thought you were looking for the Carper relative that posted on the ALR. Maybe I misunderstood you. Carper that owns all the Carper rifles could probably give some info on signatures. Sorry

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Re: Joseph Carper fullstock flintlock?
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2019, 05:42:19 AM »
Heís a member and a descendant. I sent him a PM....

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Re: Joseph Carper fullstock flintlock?
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2019, 05:43:22 AM »
I called Johnny Walker, who is a Carper descendant and a builder himself. He goes by ďCarperĒ on this site and lives here in Alaska. He will get on the site and respond to you, after he gets his horses taken care of tonight!

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Re: Joseph Carper fullstock flintlock?
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2019, 06:25:17 AM »
Cool gun.  Do you know the caliber?
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Re: Joseph Carper fullstock flintlock?
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2019, 06:26:31 AM »
Nice rifle.  I really like the panelled beaver-tail cheek piece.  I would like to sugggest that the script signature actually reads "DS", not "JC".  Anyone else see it this way?  Sorry, can't help you with identity of gunsmith.  Good luck,  Loudy

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Re: Joseph Carper fullstock flintlock?
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2019, 08:44:39 AM »
John: Iím not sure,but I have learned to,rarely say never.I spent my whole life associated with these Carper rifles.  I kept the shop and had it in Raleigh county until I was called into ministry in Alaska.  Iíve owned about ten of the old rifles from Joe,Joe Jr, and Sam. But what I have never seen is an early rifle.  Some of the characteristics are very similar. The cheek piece is spot on, the trigger guard resembles theirs as they cast them. The signature is not like any I have seen. They etched their name  in cursive. Iíd put that rifle 1850ish and most of the Carper rifles you see around are quite a bit later.  If it didnít have that initial on the barrel Iíd think it was a Joe Carper either made in Botetourt or Cashmere . BTW I actually met you at a shooting match in Hinton some years back. Seems like you had a beautiful Harn rifle that day. I have enjoyed your posts and they have actually made me quite homesick when you show locales around the hills. When Dr.Paton called me I was overseeing our cattle herd which stay under constant predation here from brown bears and didnít have my computer so I anixioulsy awaited getting to see your post. Great rifle btw. Johnny Walker

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Re: Joseph Carper fullstock flintlock?
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2019, 02:26:24 PM »
Cool gun.  Do you know the caliber?

.44/.45 cal

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Re: Joseph Carper fullstock flintlock?
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2019, 02:31:24 PM »
Cool gun.  Do you know the caliber?

.44/.45 cal

Thanks for the response. I thought I had some memory of discussing Carper rifles in the past. I bet we talked about them once.  I think this must be a Jacob Shaffer from Wytheville, VA, and thatís a JS on the barrel. It could be a Carper or a Honaker in style. I think they all were influenced by Abraham Honaker. Itís a .44/.45 cal....

ETA: okay Iím lost on what the initials actually are. Iím going to assume they are owner initials since most of these signatures are usually cursive with full last names....
« Last Edit: February 07, 2019, 02:43:20 PM by JohnHBryan »

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Re: Joseph Carper fullstock flintlock?
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2019, 05:09:54 PM »
DG ? maybe?
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Re: Joseph Carper fullstock flintlock?
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2019, 05:43:18 PM »
My guess is itís a C because the gun it came with was owned by the Cantley family.

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Re: Joseph Carper fullstock flintlock?
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2019, 07:44:20 PM »
I think I saw that rifle before and it was attributed to Schaefer. It was with a restocked Honaker and a Carper fullstock.  That triggerguard stays in ones mind. The Carperís were blacksmiths in the Lancaster area and intermarried into the Beck family. I believed when they came down to Botetourt Co they took up gunmaking to. The Honakers were our competitors. I have seen a scad of their rifles and repaired more than a few of them. Away you have a great gun there.

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Re: Joseph Carper fullstock flintlock?
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2019, 03:05:27 AM »
I'm with Loudy 100%.  Flip that second photo 180 degrees and blow it up...that's definitely a "D" and the second initial, although debatable, is almost certainly an "S".

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Re: Joseph Carper fullstock flintlock?
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2019, 10:28:19 AM »


D S in my eyes, too.

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Re: Joseph Carper fullstock flintlock?
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2019, 07:59:19 PM »
Let me help you, folks... Here are the initials flipped 180 degrees, grayscaled and turned into a negative for better contrast...


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Re: Joseph Carper fullstock flintlock?
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2019, 03:36:05 AM »
I didn't make that rifle, honest - neither did Taylor - I would know. ::)
(We both have DS initials as well.
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Re: Joseph Carper fullstock flintlock?
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2019, 12:49:07 AM »
I was talking to a friend today.  He said Daniel Shomo , Barbour County West Virginia.