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Jacob Deemer. minimal frills, maximum thrills. :-)
« on: March 13, 2019, 07:48:47 PM »
A good friend and fellow collector/restorer let me adopt this wonderful rifle.  It is in as-found, 'in the black' condition.  It's attributed to Jacob Deemer, North Hampton County.  I believe Deemer apprenticed under Nicholas Hawk.  The lock was replaced when converted to percussion.  The toe is broken but the original wood is still in place. 
















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Re: Jacob Deemer. minimal frills, maximum thrills. :-)
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2019, 07:50:40 PM »
I love the Deemer trigger.  I'm going to make a mold from this and have them cast.


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Re: Jacob Deemer. minimal frills, maximum thrills. :-)
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2019, 08:31:55 PM »
That’s a wonderful rifle Chris
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Re: Jacob Deemer. minimal frills, maximum thrills. :-)
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2019, 09:13:37 PM »
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Re: Jacob Deemer. minimal frills, maximum thrills. :-)
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2019, 11:14:28 PM »
The architecture is very nice on this rifle Chris, and it couldn’t have found a better home. 😊

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Re: Jacob Deemer. minimal frills, maximum thrills. :-)
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2019, 11:24:23 PM »
The architecture is very nice on this rifle Chris, and it couldn’t have found a better home. 😊

:-)  Thanks   I started the mold for the trigger today.  I really like that trigger!  I should have the castings in a month or so.

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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2019, 03:26:36 AM »
Chris, Nice rifle. I'm happy for you.

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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2019, 05:13:44 AM »
Nice rifle!
I heard that Deemer worked for, or around Hawk as well. And don't doubt it.
Lot's of little Hawk details in his work.
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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2019, 03:32:06 PM »
That's a very attractive gun, very pleasing in profile.
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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2019, 06:45:52 PM »
What an elegant rifle! That's beauty right there. What are your plans for it, Chris?

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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2019, 08:02:12 PM »
Chris, I'm sure you checked out this JD rifle in the Bruce Miller Library here on the ALR.  It was once in my stable of long rifles.   It is of my opinion that those mysterious "JD" signed rifle's were made by Jacob Deemer. Notice the trigger on the museum rifle.  Looks familiar!  http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=28542.0
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Re: Jacob Deemer. minimal frills, maximum thrills. :-)
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2019, 10:52:01 PM »
There's a guy who displays Deemer rifles at the KRA every year.  I think he's a descendant, but can't recall his name.  He would be a good source of more info because he
researches them.  It would be great if you could bring it to KRA this year and visit.
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Re: Jacob Deemer. minimal frills, maximum thrills. :-)
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2019, 11:14:39 PM »
Chris, I'm sure you checked out this JD rifle in the Bruce Miller Library here on the ALR.  It was once in my stable of long rifles.   It is of my opinion that those mysterious "JD" signed rifle's were made by Jacob Deemer. Notice the trigger on the museum rifle.  Looks familiar!  http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=28542.0

Oh yes, I saw that.  Exact same trigger and other parts are the same, also.

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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2019, 03:09:35 PM »
Classy little rifle, Chris. Thanks for posting.
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« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2019, 05:21:13 PM »
Very nice rifle.  Thanks for sharing.

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Re: Jacob Deemer. minimal frills, maximum thrills. :-)
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2019, 07:47:24 PM »
There's a guy who displays Deemer rifles at the KRA every year.  I think he's a descendant, but can't recall his name.  He would be a good source of more info because he
researches them.  It would be great if you could bring it to KRA this year and visit.

I would love to get in touch with him.

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« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2019, 08:50:53 PM »
Chris, here is a 2 page post I started back in June of 2013.  It gives a lot of insight and also gives 2 KRA members names who were knowledgeable about Jacob Deemer.    http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=27080.0
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« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2019, 09:15:24 PM »

The Easfetn Section The Eastern section of the Northampton County school of gunsmithing consists of the early townships of Forks, Plain- field and Mount Bethel. Major gunsmiths active in this area were John Schneider, Jacob Deemer, Nicholas Hawk and the Young gunsmithing family of Easton, Pennsylvania. Rifles of this section were generally manufactured during the later period, after 1800, and exhibited very few of the school's traditional characteristics. Sideplates tended to end in a blunted point quickly evolv- ing into a shape ending with a small circle not unlike that com- mon to the Bucks County school of gunsmithing. Wrists became more high than wide. Brass wearplates, which sometimes endeda long both sides of the triggeqgmd, were popular. Nicholas Hawk, active in the 18205, was a talented gunsmith who worked in Gilbert, Pennsylvania, in the artreme Northeastem area of the school, in what later became Monroe County. He normally signed his barrels and had a strong preference for over-and-under swivel rifles. His work was well executed and profusely engraved. Remaining examples are well documented in existing publications. The rifles of Jacob Deemer often had a JD engraved in the thumb piece inlay. Their sideplates usually ended in a blunt point, and their stocks were slimmer and more streamlined. Patchboxes on Deemer rifles followed the style of Nicholas Hawk but never displayed the traditional fine Hawk engrav- ing. Though often confused with Hawk rifles, close examina- tion shows the JD rifles were plainer and of lower quality than those of Hawk

This article by a KRA member had images of a Jacob Deemer (by Whisker) attached

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Re: Jacob Deemer. minimal frills, maximum thrills. :-)
« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2019, 09:41:28 PM »
That is a beautiful rifle.  What caliber is it?

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« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2019, 05:36:19 PM »
That is a beautiful rifle.  What caliber is it?


It's .50ish and it's a smooth bore.  It appears to have originally been made that way.

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Re: Jacob Deemer. minimal frills, maximum thrills. :-)
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2019, 05:56:10 AM »
Preety sure it's a Deemer as well. The rear pipe is exactly like a Hawk I have.

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« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2019, 01:57:26 PM »
Look at the rear sight. Is it bending up in the dovetails?
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« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2019, 01:14:52 AM »
Look at the rear sight. Is it bending up in the dovetails?

Wonder if someone was trying to raise the point of impact a bit? Doesn't look like there's much leeway to file that front sight down any lower. Really nice rifle!

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« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2019, 06:55:25 PM »
Sights will do that if they don't fit the dovetail.  Might be a replacement someone drove in.
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Re: Jacob Deemer. minimal frills, maximum thrills. :-)
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2019, 02:00:48 AM »
I like the snake incised carving at the end of the fore end molding.