Author Topic: Mother of.... Pearl  (Read 2932 times)

Offline Kingsburyarms

  • Jon Rider
  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 955
  • Jon Rider
Mother of.... Pearl
« on: April 13, 2019, 07:18:12 PM »
Working on my Kibler Colonial that is being "over contemporary" built, I did a Mother of Pearl and Ebony star in the cheek piece. The Mother of Pearl came from the silver set I used to create all the hardware for the rifle (everything will be Sterling Silver) and I wanted to share a few things I learned on in-letting Mother of Pearl.  It's brittle and cracks even when you look at it. It reminds me of a mixture of glass and Mica. It's hard to sand and shape, and if you do cut it or sand/shape it, wear a real good mask, as the sand dust is just like shards of glass. I made the inlay deep, about 3/32 to 1/8, as to keep the iridescence of the Pearl, as well as if I made it thinner, it would start to crack and be more difficult to work with. The Ebony went in fine. The pictures here are NOT final sanded into the stock, but shows how I assembled the pieces.  I glued them in, and will final sand the inlay to match the curvature of the stock as one inlay, not each individual piece.

As always, all feedback most welcome,

Jon














image uploader

Offline D. Taylor Sapergia

  • Member 3
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 12549
Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2019, 08:13:22 PM »
Jon:  I think your inlay gives the rifle a lot of personal character.  I like it.  Thanks for your description of the job...gives we who have never worked the stuff, a leg up.  Going to be a lovely rifle.
D. Taylor Sapergia
www.sapergia.blogspot.com

Art is not an object.  It is the excitement inspired by the object.

Offline Daryl

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15077
Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2019, 08:37:02 PM »

Absolutely marvelous!
Daryl

"a gun without hammers is like a spaniel without ears" King George V

Offline smart dog

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 6830
Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2019, 09:50:55 PM »
Hi John,
Very nice indeed.  You selected some really nice pieces.  As you know, I worked with that stuff before and it is a challenge. The inlay has to go in with mild finger pressure, no more. You cannot tap it in place.

dave
"The main accomplishment of modern economics is to make astrology look good."

Offline Marcruger

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3668
Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2019, 02:11:37 AM »
I read first and then looked at the photos.  I thought I wouldn't like the mother-of-pearl (MOP).  I was wrong.  It looks great.  My caution would be to be very careful around the MOP when staining.  Maybe try some scrap MOP with whatever you will be staining with.  It is some fussy fragile stuff.  It may take stain or dye. 

I really like that inlay.  Sharp. 

God Bless,   Marc

Offline Goo

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 708
Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2019, 05:13:55 AM »
Not all oyster and mussel shell is the same.   Some of it is stonger than others.   You have to try different ones to get a good source.  The dinner plate size shells out of Australia are good, some of the American freshwater clam from Illinois aren't to bad if you get them out of one of not quite too polluted rivers in rural parts of the state.
Opinions are expensive. Rich people rarely if ever voice their opinion.

Offline Pukka Bundook

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3364
Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2019, 05:31:36 AM »
For mine, I used clam shells from the local river.   Plenty of broken ones where otters had been working. That stuff is tough, and didn't take the nitric.

I think the M O P will be a lovely contrast to the ebony.

Offline acorn20

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 522
Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2019, 07:16:25 AM »
Nicely done Jon!
Dan Akers

Online redheart

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 596
Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2019, 07:45:34 AM »
Total class! :)

Offline David Price

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 703
    • The Flintlock Shop
Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2019, 03:47:34 PM »
Jon,

When you told me you were going to use mother of pearl I really didn't think I would like it.  I knew it was hard to work with but if anyone could do it you could.  The fact that you did it so tastefully and artistically, is why i like it so much.  Your craftsmanship is beyond excellent.  I am looking forward to seeing it finished when you come to the shop next time.

David Price

Offline Kingsburyarms

  • Jon Rider
  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 955
  • Jon Rider
Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2019, 05:32:10 PM »
Thank you all for the wonderful comments and feedback. I didn't know what it would look like either, but as I mentioned, the silver came from a serving set my parents had, and we stored for years, and the knives had Mother of Pearl handles, so I thought it would be fitting (seeing I melted down 12 place settings of silver) to use the handle material in a simple inlay. The MOP must be over 70 years old, and as brittle as it gets. I have no idea where it came from, but the knife handles are about 1/2 inch thick. A few other notables if you ever try this. MOP has a grain, and it has a "Iridescent" direction. As I cut the handle pieces into layers, I saw that only one direction has an translucent or milky color, the other side did not, the opposite grain is more like Ivory. so if you do use this, make sure when you cut it, your piece is in the right "grain" direction. Here are some images after I sanded the inlay from 300 grit to a polished 1800 grit wet paper. it made the MOP pop. I'm glad I did this, but will think twice doing it again, maybe on an English Fowler or another gun that it would be much more "appropriate" for MOP. Again, I appreciate all the wonderful comments and feedback.  Off to make the Sterling Patch Box End.

Jon





« Last Edit: April 14, 2019, 06:03:54 PM by Kingsburyarms »

Offline Pukka Bundook

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3364
Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2019, 06:09:27 PM »
Jon,
You are very right about mother-of -pearl having a right side and a wrong side. If working with shells it's easier , as the right side is the 'inside".
I was thinking iridescent  when  posted above, but couldn't think how it was spelled! 

That star  is Very attractive!

Offline jerrywh

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8885
    • Jerrywh-gunmaker- Master  Engraver FEGA.
Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2019, 07:34:23 PM »
 That is the best I have ever seen. The job you did on cutting the cavity is spectacular in itself. I have often thought of inlaying gold into mother of pearl and the thought of it keeps me awake at night thinking.  Fantastic job.
Nobody is always correct, Not even me.

Offline Mike Brooks

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13260
    • Mike Brooks Gunmaker
Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2019, 05:53:24 PM »
Speechless in New Liberty….. ???
NEW WEBSITE! www.mikebrooksflintlocks.com
Say, any of you boys smithies? Or, if not smithies per se, were you otherwise trained in the metallurgic arts before straitened circumstances forced you into a life of aimless wanderin'?

Offline Dphariss

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9751
  • Kill a Commie for your Mommy
Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2019, 05:55:11 PM »
That is the best I have ever seen. The job you did on cutting the cavity is spectacular in itself. I have often thought of inlaying gold into mother of pearl and the thought of it keeps me awake at night thinking.  Fantastic job.

What Jerry said.

He who dares not offend cannot be honest. Thomas Paine

Offline Mike Brooks

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13260
    • Mike Brooks Gunmaker
Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2019, 06:00:27 PM »
ALR Mission Statement:

The mission of AmericanLongrifles.org is to promote, preserve and support the traditional art and craft of building, collecting and using the American Longrifle.
NEW WEBSITE! www.mikebrooksflintlocks.com
Say, any of you boys smithies? Or, if not smithies per se, were you otherwise trained in the metallurgic arts before straitened circumstances forced you into a life of aimless wanderin'?

Offline Kingsburyarms

  • Jon Rider
  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 955
  • Jon Rider
Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2019, 06:04:57 PM »
ALR Mission Statement:

The mission of AmericanLongrifles.org is to promote, preserve and support the traditional art and craft of building, collecting and using the American Longrifle.

??? - Don't know if I did this or I broke a rule..........

Offline bob in the woods

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4535
Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2019, 03:26:16 PM »
Fabulous work.  I really like it.  I use a lot of MOP myself , however my stash is a lot less brittle than what you experienced.   

Offline t.caster

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3667
Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2019, 04:07:00 PM »
ALR Mission Statement:

The mission of AmericanLongrifles.org is to promote, preserve and support the traditional art and craft of building, collecting and using the American Longrifle.

??? - Don't know if I did this or I broke a rule..........

No, you just set the bar higher! Beautiful work all around from what we can see. Looking forward to see the finished product!
Tom C.

Offline T*O*F

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5076
Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2019, 05:40:53 PM »
Quote
That is the best I have ever seen. I have often thought of inlaying gold into mother of pearl and the thought of it keeps me awake at night thinking.
Jerry,
What about Barry Lee Hands work?




Dave Kanger

If religion is opium for the masses, the internet is a crack, pixel-huffing orgy that deafens the brain, numbs the senses and scrambles our peer list to include every anonymous loser, twisted deviant, and freak as well as people we normally wouldn't give the time of day.
-S.M. Tomlinson

Offline JTR

  • member 2
  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 4223
Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2019, 07:29:00 PM »
Jon, Nice job on your inlay!
Looking forward to seeing more progress!

Quote
That is the best I have ever seen. I have often thought of inlaying gold into mother of pearl and the thought of it keeps me awake at night thinking.
Jerry,
What about Barry Lee Hands work?

Yep, he the man when it comes to inlaying gold into MOP.
Also one of the top engravers of today. Check out this link  https://www.facebook.com/barryleehands/
« Last Edit: April 16, 2019, 07:35:17 PM by JTR »
John Robbins

Offline jerrywh

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8885
    • Jerrywh-gunmaker- Master  Engraver FEGA.
Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2019, 08:49:26 PM »

Barry Lee Hands is a good engraver but not the best .  I suspect he cuts the cavities in the mother of pearl with a laser but have no proof.  The best engravings and the most cherished are the bank note and bolino styles. The masters at that style is Lee Griffith and steve Lyndsay. I do some but have a ways to go to ever reach those guys.  Here is one I did on a 3/8" barrel flatt.  The best in the world is Phil Coggan in England and Lee Griffith is very close to him in my opinion.  I can,t post those guys because they do modern guns.
Nobody is always correct, Not even me.

Offline Daryl

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15077
Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2019, 09:12:11 PM »
Fabulous - all of them. :)
Daryl

"a gun without hammers is like a spaniel without ears" King George V

Offline bptactical

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 143
Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2019, 01:35:13 AM »
Never been a huge fan of artsy work on a rifle as I always preferred the simple, utilitarian approach.

But that is gorgeous and i really like the contrast of the 2 materials.

Very nicely done.
The most important thing to be learned from those who demand “Equality For All” is that all are not equal

Offline smart dog

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 6830
Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2019, 01:53:09 AM »
Hi,
Engraving and inlaying in MOP is certainly difficult. Here is some engraved examples:
The oval escutcheon is MOP

The cherub (actually a Putti) is MOP

The dragon's head is MOP


dave
"The main accomplishment of modern economics is to make astrology look good."