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General discussion => Contemporary Accoutrements => Topic started by: BlackleafHats on May 31, 2010, 10:14:06 PM
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Hello All
My latest creation... what do you think?
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Sincerely
Morgan Shea
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It's befitting a propa gentlman it does.
Coryjoe
I tried making a rifleman style hat from a blank once and it ended up looking like something in a Snuffy Smith cartoon.
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I can't seem to figure out how to put a picture in the post.
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There is a tutorial somewhere on here. The way I do it is I have a photobucket account. It is free. I load the images into photo bucket which gives them a URL. Then I cut an paste the URL into thetext and the image appears as if by magic.
Coryjoe
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It's rather foppish
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looks like a chick magnet type hat!
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Stylish!
Greg
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Morgan,
Don't know if you are using one or two different "banding" materials on the outer edge of the hat. (Looks like two materials.) Anyway, the banding was done very smoothly and that is not easy to do.
I made a Colonial Marine round hat years ago and the edge banding is anything but smooth/pretty with a whole bunch of extra folds as it went around the rim. I've seen a LOT of other round hats where the banding was smoother. Grin.
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The word "Dandy" comes to mind, but in a good way, of course!
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Morgan,
Don't know if you are using one or two different "banding" materials on the outer edge of the hat. (Looks like two materials.) Anyway, the banding was done very smoothly and that is not easy to do.
I made a Colonial Marine round hat years ago and the edge banding is anything but smooth/pretty with a whole bunch of extra folds as it went around the rim. I've seen a LOT of other round hats where the banding was smoother. Grin.
Yes that is two layers of trim The base is a white velveteen that i lay in first, and the brown braided trim went over that. I hear you on the round hat. Plain white trim on a military hat is one of my least favorite things to do. Either worsted wool/cotton/linen alone does have that natural tendency to want to pucker and bunch. I hand cut my own trim on the bias out of heavy white cotton. Though perhaps not the most historically accurate, I can cut it to any width an individual desires. You can see an example of this at http://blackleafleather.handzonsitemaker.com/#/hats/4533180469
Along the top banner of pictures, the sixth one over.
Cheers
Morgan Shea
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Very dapper Young man.
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very fancy there pilgrim
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looks a bit 'pimpy' to me......
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Morgan:
That is a good-looking hat, particularly for a "gentleman of means." I am going to have to break down and get a new tri-corn soon. Now I know who to call.
Jeff
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It was a time when gentlemen aspired to what we today might call "gaudy." Men went for color and decoration. Well, except the Quakers, from what I've read.
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It's rather foppish
What can one expect from a frenchman? ;D
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Frenchman!!! I'll have you know I'm a true beer blooded Irishman....
Seriously, I thank everyone for taking a look, and their kind words.
Although I do make military hats, it is the civilian hats where I get to have the most fun.
Cheers
Morgan Shea
http://BlackleafLeather.com
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Looks like good work.
Are they round blocked or oval?
How tall is the crown?
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My blocks are simple dome shaped and all sit at 4 - 4.25 inches high. They are oval shaped around the circumference (base of the crown).
Cheers
Morgan Shea
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I think it's an outstanding looking hat. I'm most envious.
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Well I, for one, like the hat. It reminds me of the possibly apocryphal storey about a Frenchman who was a duelling enthusiast and who, it is said, wore unusual headgear in the hopes of being challenged. He was, indeed met by another duellist and the exchange did center on the appropriateness of the hats, after which time they had their duel and life went on (for at least on of them, anyway) and our lives were made a bit richer (OK- a very small bit richer) by way of an interesting anecdote.
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Funny you should mention Dueling. I also run a Classical Fencing School
http://LancasterDueling.com
I collect stories about Dueling. Is there any source for this (online or otherwise)? I've not heard this one before.
Cheers
Morgan Shea
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Ok...That's enough! You guys better stop or his head will never fit in one of his own hats ! ;D Nice work as usual slappy!
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Thank You My Brother.
Starting work tonight on my first ever Quaker Hat, and very excited about it.
Cheers
Morgan Shea
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Funny you should mention Dueling. I also run a Classical Fencing School
http://LancasterDueling.com
I collect stories about Dueling. Is there any source for this (online or otherwise)? I've not heard this one before.
Do you give fencing demonstrations at historic sites? I seem to remember someone resembling you who used to demonstrate fencing, in addition to giving fencing lessons at Ft. DeChartre, in the Illinois Country, several years ago.
I learned, from watching the demonstrations, that one does not fence with a rather foppish frechman/irishman, wearing ruffled shirts with ruffled cuffs. ;)
God bless
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I've did some demo work for Valley Forge National Park a couple years back when they did a whole day long program focusing on John Laurens. I did a session with the ranger playing Laurens for the day. He talked about pistol dueling while I talked about sword dueling. I also do a show called From Insult to Injury: The Anatomy of the Duel, which VF has shown some interest in having at the park, but I have not tried to take it to any other historical sites yet.
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Well your hat is nicer than his hat!!
Perhaps you could photodocment your process for designing and making the Quaker hat here on this site, like some of our horn and gun and other artisans have done??
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I believe both of those hats were Jas Townsend. The park insisted I use their stuff. Although the cape and boots were mine. Thank God for that cape. Outdoor presentations in February on Artillery Ridge for 7 hours was not a lot of fun, but it did make me deeply appreciative for what our troops went through.
I never thought about photo-documenting the process... HMMM! Interesting idea.
Cheers
Morgan Shea
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Morgan,
I don't mean to be critical of some, but I don't believe many people truly understand how "foppish" many hats were in the 18th century. The hat you pictured would have been more likely worn by someone of more means than the poor in the 18th century, but it certainly wasn't foppish for the times. A hat such as yours would have been worn by famiily members of the merchant or county squire class, unless one was a puritan or of a religous background that required everyone to dress severely plain.
I'm old enough to remember the days when even those of us as kids and who grew up rather poor just "had" to have a nice hat to go to church and many men wore more dressy hats every day. Men of the 50's and early 60's would be stunned to see a baseball cap being "in fashion" as the most popular hat today. I remember when men would not go to town without at least a somewhat dressy hat as they would not have been taken seriously. I remember when dungaree's or blue jeans were not considered "proper civilian attire" for liberty, even for privates, and you only wore them when hunting or on leave.
We have discussed creating our own historic anachronisms due to our modern mindsets and I think this is another example of this. Most men n the period would not have purchased the higher quality guns that are often purchased today. But I'm very glad to see the quality of guns raise so much since I started out in the 70's. I'm also glad when people like you make things to a higher standard for the period.
Gus
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Indeed... I would say that this leans more toward the foppish (not one of my hats)
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Cheers
Morgan Shea
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I must say I continue to wonder about those old enough to look like adults but continue to insist every day is Halloween. ;D
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LOL. Yeah, I've been guilty that. I've done so many periods of re-enacting that on more than a few occasions, people have commented I don't "look right" in modern clothes or uniform. Grin.
Morgan,
The picture of the last hat you showed while peeking around a corner would certainly been considered foppish, except perhaps for a pirate Captain coming to Port Royal.
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Well then I have just one more link... Really! This also might be of interest to those of you that inquired about fencing demos at historical sites.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxnTTlv2pQ0
I hope you enjoy, and get a chuckle for the beginning of the weekend.
And I think I've officially veered of track of my own thread. So be on the look out for my next hat in the near future.
Cheers
Morgan Shea
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I like fencing!!
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To paraphrase Paul Hogan (Crocodile Dundee)...THIS is a knife...
Greg
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Taylor,
Only one phrase needs be said about your neat photo above.....
SCOTS WAE HAE !!
Gus
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Indeed... I would say that this leans more toward the foppish (not one of my hats)
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Cheers
Morgan Shea
Ok Bro. We need to burn that picture and that hat....sooner rather than later!
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Indeed... I would say that this leans more toward the foppish (not one of my hats)
(https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi855.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fab115%2Fblackleaf7%2FVARogue1.jpg&hash=9e7fa7e3a793ebdf9988e58bde120999811c4b53)
Cheers
Morgan Shea
Ok Bro. We need to burn that picture and that hat....sooner rather than later!
Heck No Bro... That's the official Rogue Sommelier Hat. That is actually Gold Grapevine Lace you see there. I thought you'd seen that one before. It is completely non historical, but is look great in the wine review videos.
Cheers
Morgan
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Ive lived a sheltered life doing mostly military or native impressions. The fanciest Ive ever got with binding was black silk and an engraved silver button on an officers hat. Are there surviving hats with these fancy bindings, or does it come from period images?
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Ive lived a sheltered life doing mostly military or native impressions. The fanciest Ive ever got with binding was black silk and an engraved silver button on an officers hat. Are there surviving hats with these fancy bindings, or does it come from period images?
Luke
The hat directly above I can not answer for as it was made by another company. I have found it very hard to find examples of existing hats on any level. I look to paintings, prints and historical costume books for my inspirations.
Cheers
Morgan Shea
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Morgan
Just have to know. Are you as Mad as a? The wifes question but I like it. By the way, I love the hats.
Steve
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No Mercury is used in my hats... Brain cells are intact!
Cheers
Morgan Shea