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General discussion => Black Powder Shooting => Topic started by: okieboy on June 07, 2010, 04:16:57 AM
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Here is a picture of me shooting with the Iowa Black Powder Federation on June 6th. These are great people and it is a beatiful place to shoot. I shot poorly this day, but still had a great time. After the regular shooting they have a one shot match for a dollar with the winner getting a pie, Boston cream pie this time. Lots of fun!
Okieboy
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Well now Okie, any photos of the spotters used and the different chunks and of course the best string measure assuming 10 1 shot matches ???
Nosey minds need to know. ;D
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Yes, also would like to see the various "chunk" designs. I see the one to the left of the shooter has a cradle...do all (most?) ranges permit this?
R
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Don't know about most ranges, but these are called "over-the-log chunk guns" for a reason! Them barrels are heavy!
Dave
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Ron,
Most ranges I have shot at do not allow the rifle to be held in a "cradle" type rest. The barrel must not be locked down but be able to move forward and back as well as side to side while on the chunk.
Mark
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Thanks Mark. Thought that I saw something to that effect on the York webpage as not allowed there...may have been mistaken...
I will most likely build one but wish to see others efforts.
R
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But a "cant bar" can be used if part of the gun???? Am I wrong?
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But a "cant bar" can be used if part of the gun???? Am I wrong?
Cant bars are pretty much a 'given' to my understanding. Most clubs allow sand bags under the forearm but not the toe, various rules apply club to club to shoot to shoot....be prepared and stay loose except when sighting on the target. ;D
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Bruce,
As Roger said, "cant bars are a part of most rifles" some fellows, and gals, don't use them but they are at a very distinct disadvantage. I can't post pictures but can send some if you like, or can print them for me.
Mark
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That would be nice if you'd send me some Mark. I have been thinking of trying my habd at it. Are there any matches in our area???
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Bruce,
I will get some pics out to you in the next day or two. I am not familiar with what may be taking place in your area but will try to find out.
Mark
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Here are some more pics. Rules vary from the basic ones shoot by shoot and that is part of the charm of chunk shooting.
I want to say that you can start chunk shooting with any muzzle loader you've got; my current gun is a 7/8x42" 45caliber.
I would like to have a chunk shoot in central Minnesota, anyone interested is welcome to contact me.
Okieboy
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Looks like a good time okie!!
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Okie,
What's your thoughts on your 7/8"x42" barreled chunk gun?
I built a 1 1/8" x 42" half stock cap-lock chunk gun years ago and have never really been that happy with it (performance wise), though I don't shoot it enough if the truth be known. (Really need to work up a good load for this rifle).
I have often thought about using my Dickert 7/8"x42" barreled flintlock in its place at our local annual chunk shoot as this is a rifle I shoot much more.
Do you find the weight acceptable with the 7/8x42" barreled rifle? Appreciate your thoughts on this.
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Aaaahaaa! Thanks for the pics. Next step for me is a trip to Carter Lumber for a treated 2 x 12.
R
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Here is a cant bar built into my stock.
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Okie,
What's your thoughts on your 7/8"x42" barreled chunk gun?
I built a 1 1/8" x 42" half stock cap-lock chunk gun years ago and have never really been that happy with it (performance wise), though I don't shoot it enough if the truth be known. (Really need to work up a good load for this rifle).
I have often thought about using my Dickert 7/8"x42" barreled flintlock in its place at our local annual chunk shoot as this is a rifle I shoot much more.
Do you find the weight acceptable with the 7/8x42" barreled rifle? Appreciate your thoughts on this.
The chunk shooters I know gravitate to a heavy barreled rifle, although it is not unknown for a light rifle to win. Never shot there due to distance; but I do recall a young lady winning Trammel's log shoot around 5 or some such years ago. If she beat them since with her offhand rifle I have no idea. (Maybe they never left her come back ::)
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Here is a cant bar built into my stock.
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Now Bob ol boy you opened another question regards that tube sight of which I happen to have one. Have you noticed a better sight picture with the long tube (contrast) compared with 4 or 5 inch short shaders one over each sight?? We need to know or read nosey! :D
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Now Bob ol boy you opened another question regards that tube sight of which I happen to have one. Have you noticed a better sight picture with the long tube (contrast) compared with 4 or 5 inch short shaders one over each sight?? We need to know or read nosey! :D
I've never tried the two short pieces, I cannot do a fair comparison on the sight picture. I picked a long brass tube for a little extra weight.
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Roger,
That is not a "tube" sight, it is a shader. Absolutley no optics are allowed to be used. The sights are open with shaders, either one piece or two, allowed. You would be surprised at how much clearer a sight picture you can get using a shader. Most of them are "U" shaped over the top of the barrel, whether one or two piece. The one I use is one piece that is a complete tube. It is almost like looking through the aperture of a camera.
Mark
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Roger,
That is not a "tube" sight, it is a shader. Absolutley no optics are allowed to be used. The sights are open with shaders, either one piece or two, allowed. You would be surprised at how much clearer a sight picture you can get using a shader. Most of them are "U" shaped over the top of the barrel, whether one or two piece. The one I use is one piece that is a complete tube. It is almost like looking through the aperture of a camera.
Mark
Yup, I knew that, using wrong term maybe for a full length "tube" shader.
I have both and used both. Stood the full length tube shader in a corner since it was a pain to on and off and was a problem getting in to my rifle case. So, yes I've been down that road once or twice. Am still wondering if the full length gives any better contrast than 2 shorties ??? I do doubt it. Thanks for responding. :)
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Roger,
There are a lot of believers in both, 2 piece and 1 piece. For me I find it distracting haveing the light level change between the shaders as opposed to haveing a constant light level in the 1 piece. I guess it is as much what you get used to as it is whether one is better than the other. I've been beat by both!
Mark
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I never took into consideration the light change between the two shaders. Certainly something to address I would think. Where did you guys get your
one piece brass tubing?
Roger, I think I recall something about a gal winning the Trammel shoot some years back with a standard weight rifle, but I have no details, nor do I even know if there's any fact to it?
Last year at our local Chunk shoot I used my Ed Rayl .40 cal x 7/8" x 36" and did
pretty good with it. Came in 2nd and that rifle is only 8.25 pounds. Two piece shader is what I used.
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Bruce Bogart.............we have a chunk gun shoot coming up on the 10th of July in East Waterford, Pa. You can find this
little town by looking at a Pa. map. About mid-way between Harrisburg and State College, on Rt. 322......look for Rt. 75
which goes kind of SW, starting at Port Royal, and is about 20 miles from Rt. 322. Roger will be there, also Art DeCamp
won last years shoot. I'll bring a flyer along to the KRA show and leave them with Art DeCamp. Port Royal is kind of
famous for 1/2 mile dirt track racing. Port Royal was also the home of Jed Cooper, the gun collector of years past..........
Don
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Candle Snuffer,
I wrote a long complicated response to your Question, pressed post and watched it disappear into cyberspace. So I'll write concise this time. I think a 7/8x 42" is fine. I think each shooter has to find what works best for him, irregardless of what works for others. I also believe that the gun is about 20% of shooting and the shooter about 80%. I think that my gun was perfectly capable of winning last weekend, but the shooter was doing something wrong.
I am going to build to build a couple of longer guns (.45x1x48 and .45x1-1/4x48) because I really enjoy building guns, but I think honing my shooting techniques is more important towards winning a match.
Okieboy
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Candle Snuffer,
I use light 1" copper pipe for my shader and the same for the barrel clamps.
Mark
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Thanks Okie. I agree with your estimate of 80% shooter & 20% gun. I do think a person needs to practice this chunk shooting to become good at it and to become as familiar with their chunk rifle as they can. It's a discipline of shooting I should devote more time to.
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Thanks Mark, I never thought about going with the copper. I know what I use is far from traditional as I use 1 1/4" PVC pipe spray painted with black Krylon. I believe I'll give the one piece copper a try.
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Thank you Don.
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Bruce Bogart.............we have a chunk gun shoot coming up on the 10th of July in East Waterford, Pa. You can find this
little town by looking at a Pa. map. About mid-way between Harrisburg and State College, on Rt. 322......look for Rt. 75
which goes kind of SW, starting at Port Royal, and is about 20 miles from Rt. 322. Roger will be there, also Art DeCamp
won last years shoot. I'll bring a flyer along to the KRA show and leave them with Art DeCamp. Port Royal is kind of
famous for 1/2 mile dirt track racing. Port Royal was also the home of Jed Cooper, the gun collector of years past..........
Don
I met Mr. Singer at the Sgt. York shoot this year, and he was also telling me about this shoot. I am hopeing to make it down as well. I am looking at the map and see an East Rutherford, with an East Waterford cemetary slightly north of it. Is this about where I would want to be?
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I never took into consideration the light change between the two shaders. Certainly something to address I would think. Where did you guys get your
one piece brass tubing?
Roger, I think I recall something about a gal winning the Trammel shoot some years back with a standard weight rifle, but I have no details, nor do I even know if there's any fact to it?
Last year at our local Chunk shoot I used my Ed Rayl .40 cal x 7/8" x 36" and did
pretty good with it. Came in 2nd and that rifle is only 8.25 pounds. Two piece shader is what I used.
I picked mine up from MSC Industiral Supply. This was before the price of brass when nuts.
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It lays about 15 or so miles west of Port Royal which in turn lays on the Juniata River. Can't tell you exact miles, since I just turn at a dead pine tree.
Try it you'll like it. And you won't go away hungry. I've been after Singer to cover at least some of the range and have another chunk shoot in fall. All he says is Sure and you probably want elephants and dancing girls also!!!. I sez, $#*! forget the elephants. ;D Old guys sometimes need something to keep their (spirits) up :D ;) ::)
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Should be able to find it, What is the start time and when does everyone usually show up? I am near Wilkes-Barre, I am deciding if I should stay in Mifflintown or just make the drive in the AM. ???
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Bob........If I were you, I would drive down the evening before the shoot. The guys will probably start practicing on the
range about 8:30, with the shoot starting about 10 am. If you are coming down from Wilkes Barre, there are several
ways you can come, however, give this some thought. While this may appear to be farther, I think you would make better time by coming down Rt. 81, all the way to Harrisburg, then take Rt. 322 North to the Port Royal Exit, Rt. 75 west.
I know if you look at the map this will appear to be longer, and it probably is, but you will be traveling on four lane roads
all the way to Port Royal. One more thing about the shoot........a great feast after the shoot. Singer always roasts a pig
and has all the fixin's to go with it, no one goes away hungry. Great prizes too.............Don
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Bruce,
Our local club, Ohio Valley Muzzleloading Gun Club, will be holding an informal chunk shoot on June 26th at our Centerburg range. Hunting and offhand rifles only at this one since a lot of the fellows don't have chunk guns, but it is fun. We'll have several of the top 5 York shooters there. I have several chunk guns here ranging from 15# to well over 40#. Even have one flinter that is on the market.
Mark
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I may not be able to get things together by then but I will try! Thanks for the heads up Mark!!
Oh and so we don't veer too far from the thread, I used to live in IOwa. ;D
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Thanks Don, I was thinking that would be the best route as well..