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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: Dennis Glazener on November 29, 2010, 06:22:22 PM

Title: PA with grease hole? (New photos added 12/2/10)
Post by: Dennis Glazener on November 29, 2010, 06:22:22 PM

No signature, original flintlock but from what area? Several believe it has Lancaster origins (I hear screams of NO, NO!). Not sure maybe SW VA?

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Title: Re: PA with grease hole?
Post by: woodsrunner on November 29, 2010, 07:16:47 PM

This is going to be interesting! Personally I think I hear a Southern Accent, but my quals are rather weak ;).

Title: Re: PA with grease hole?
Post by: Sam Everly on November 29, 2010, 08:32:22 PM

Dennis , if i had to bet i would say North Carolina. It is a very nice rifle . Rowan, Davidson,Mecklenburg . Some wheres around there.  If i see what i think i am seeing. The forstock moulding just stopping at the front rod pipe, that is North Caroilna 110% .Plus the top of the comb line just looks NC. I like the gun alot. 

Title: Re: PA with grease hole?
Post by: mbriggs on November 29, 2010, 10:46:31 PM

Dennis,
Bill Ivey and I agree with Sam.  We have both looked at the photos and think the rifle was likely made between Davidson County and Iredell County.  The side plate and the forestock molding are the features that are guiding us with this determination.

We would like to see photos of the forestock molding termination and entry pipe area. Can you post them please?

Michael Briggs 

Title: Re: PA with grease hole?
Post by: bgf on November 29, 2010, 11:52:40 PM

The shape of the tang made me think SW Va was unlikely (and what do I know), but that's all I could figure out.  Interesting assembly of elements.  The rest seems a little fancy for a grease-hole, but I guess that was all the original owner could make payments on :).

Title: Re: PA with grease hole?
Post by: Sequatchie Rifle on November 30, 2010, 12:08:31 AM

I'm far from an expert, but it sure says SW VA or Northern NC to me!  I really like this rifle!  It looks like it has an interesting story to tell.  Thanks for sharing it with us Dennis!

Title: Re: PA with grease hole?
Post by: Dennis Glazener on November 30, 2010, 02:37:03 AM

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We would like to see photos of the forestock molding termination and entry pipe area. Can you post them please?

Michael,
It will be toward the end of the week before I will be able to make the photos but I post more.

I could not help but wonder if it might be NC but only because the stock/comb looked so much like Mathew Gillespie's. Davidson and Iredell counties are not that far from Henderson County.

Dennis

Title: Re: PA with grease hole?
Post by: Sam Everly on November 30, 2010, 03:42:52 AM

Dennis , i live about 3 miles west of the Iredell county line. Davidson is just east of Iredell. Where I-77 and I-40 cross is In Iredell county .

Title: Re: PA with grease hole?
Post by: SPG on November 30, 2010, 05:21:24 AM

Gentlemen,

Would it be fair to say that the grease hole was done by someone other than the maker? Doesn't really go along with the level of workmanship...

Just my thoughts,

Steve

Title: Re: PA with grease hole?
Post by: whitebear on November 30, 2010, 05:32:40 AM

Steve I was thinking the same thing, maybe the grease hole was an afterthought or added bu a later owner.  It sure doesn't have the same workmanship as the rest of the rifle.

Title: Re: PA with grease hole?
Post by: Nate McKenzie on November 30, 2010, 06:35:24 AM

Steve beat me to it. Dennis, it almost looks like it came out of your book. Great gun.

Title: Re: PA with grease hole?
Post by: G-Man on November 30, 2010, 06:53:51 AM

Hey Dennis - looks like my guess was not far off  ;)

Neat rifle - thanks for posting

Guy

Title: Re: PA with grease hole?
Post by: B Shipman on November 30, 2010, 08:01:42 AM

My first impression was N. Carolina without reading further. Barrel tang and forestock molding. Plain guns often have less wood removed, often have a more robust look, and this confuses the styling. The sideplate could be significant or just a hardware store item. The rear pipe area, I think might be significant.

Title: Re: PA with grease hole?
Post by: G-Man on November 30, 2010, 05:26:12 PM

The buttplate and triggerguard are very North Carolina looking to me - the triggerguard profile is very Kennedy-esque.  As Bill pointed out, the sideplate shape is very common on North Carolina guns, but also was found on many later flint rifles.  I think the detailing on the moldings and nosecap, the shape and decoration on the cheek inlay, and the tang shape all point to North Carolina. 

Title: Re: PA with grease hole? (New photos added 12/2/10)
Post by: Dennis Glazener on December 03, 2010, 01:16:13 AM

Here are some more photos:

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Dennis