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Title: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: rennikselum on March 12, 2011, 04:30:38 AM
My attempt at a Southern Mtn rifle built around a 42" Rice barrel in .45 cal.
As usual, many old mistakes from past guns replaced with "new" mistakes. I'm slowly learning, but have a LONG way to go...
Welcome all & any critiques. Always looking to improve.
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Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: KLMoors on March 12, 2011, 05:05:48 AM
I can't comment on the specifics  of your architecture as I don't know anything about that style.  I do think it looks real nice overall. I think the only thing I would have done differently would be a slightly smaller lock plate, maybe with a little curve to it. Real nice fit/finish and a gorgeous color.  Thanks for the pics!
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: Pete G. on March 12, 2011, 05:31:24 AM
Only mistake I noticed is that in your layout you somehow got the lock on the back side of the rifle instead of the front, but the color and finish look really good. What did you use?
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: wattlebuster on March 12, 2011, 05:42:06 AM
I like it an that is some VERY BEAUTIFUL wood you have there
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: dogcreek on March 12, 2011, 05:55:46 AM
I'm just a tyro when it comes to building rifles. But your workmanship looks excellent and the gun has graceful lines. And I liked the aged finish you gave the metal parts. It's a rifle anybody would be proud to own. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: greybeard on March 12, 2011, 06:02:55 AM
As we would say here in the great white north, "Not too shabey, EH !!
    Bob
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: Bill of the 45th on March 12, 2011, 06:41:43 AM
Beautiful work, except for the german lock.  I know Chambers doesn't make an English lock in left hand, but L&R does, Great gun otherwise.

Bill
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: Scott Semmel on March 12, 2011, 07:16:08 AM
I should be the last guy to be critical, I'm a perpetual apprentice level builder. But your web twixt barrel and rod looks almost as thick as the barrel at the muzzle. Why is the rod that proud of the barrel? The depth of the gun looks OK at the lock but from the entry pipe forward the web looks really thick.
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: gregg on March 12, 2011, 10:22:28 AM
what a rifle  what a piece of wood
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: willyr on March 12, 2011, 02:27:26 PM
Beautiful rifle. I know everyone tells us not to use a germanic lock on a southern rifle. However, if one is building a lefty, the Siler is the only reasonable choice. With the other lock mentioned, and I have used them, first you pay top dollar for the lock, then you spend many hours making it functional. I had rather spend a few hours making the siler look not quite so Germanic.
Be Well,
Bill Ridout
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: heinz on March 12, 2011, 03:18:35 PM
Nicely done.  A good old timey rifle.  I especially like the trigger guard and your choice of patch box style.
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: elk killer on March 12, 2011, 04:30:59 PM
fit and finish look great
maybe pin the front of the guard, instead of that screw
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: KennyC on March 12, 2011, 05:25:38 PM
I like your your gun  thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: whitebear on March 12, 2011, 10:40:28 PM
It could be just the angle of the picture ro due to your physique or shooting style but the cheek piece looks a little far to the front.  Otherwise it is a very nice rifle.
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: Scout on March 17, 2011, 03:52:32 AM
I also have a southern rifle , great job and the wood looks beautiful.
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: pathfinder on March 17, 2011, 04:29:41 AM
Nice job! looks great. How's she shoot?
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: dannybb55 on March 17, 2011, 04:36:00 AM
Sweet, A mountain rifle is a great medium for free expression. Nice work
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: Curtis on March 17, 2011, 03:48:41 PM
Very clean lines, nice looking gun.  Tell us about the trigger guard and the finish method please!  I really like the colors and contrast - what staining methods were used?
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: chuckles2011 on March 18, 2011, 06:23:18 AM
there is only one big mistake...it's not hanging on my wall...beautiful work!!......chuckles 2011
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: rennikselum on March 19, 2011, 02:25:42 PM
Thanks for the comments.
This gun was loosely based on MElliots Va gun that was on the old ALR board. I have saved a picture of it in my shop since I 1st saw it with intentions of building something close.

The side plate size makes alot of sense; smaller would look better. I liked the look of a plate I saw on here from AMartin and DGetz, of course their side plate was smaller and much more graceful looking. I failed to capture that look.
I have found that while focusing on an individual aspect of a gun and then looking at that part on the whole gun when finished, I miss alot of the intended look I was working towards...One day I hope to develop that vision.

I originally was shooting for a dull gray look on the metal. I browned the metal parts and sanded them back. I had a couple of days off from working on the gun after that and during that time it rained...alot. When I went back to work on the gun it had the pitted/spotted look to it. I kinda liked it so I left it.

The wood finish is 2 coats of aqua-fortis (let dry between coats), coat with linseed oil. Then use a torch fanning across the wood at a safe distance until the oil bubbles and the color pops out.

There are a number fthings on the gun I hope to improve on the biggest one still is the lock panels...I have a hard time getting them blended correctly. I have never been satisfied with getting this accomplished on any of my guns.

Thanks,
Jeff






Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: wetzel on March 21, 2011, 07:27:47 PM
Thanks for the post, I have always liked the Southern Mountain Rifles, seeing yours makes me want to build one.  So simple, yet elegant.  Yours looks great!!  In your description you said you put two coats of Aquafortis on, letting them dry between coats, then put linseed oil on before heating, then used torch.  So you applied the heat after the oil and not before right?  You let both coats of Aquafortis dry completely then put linseed oil on, and then after that you applied the heat, right?  Your finish is awesome, the colors are brilliant.  Did you just use more linseed oil after that to seal it? 

Another question is what is the best lock to use on a right handed southern mountain gun?  I was wanting to make a convertable and was thinking about using Jim Chambers Golden age percussion and his Golden age flint.  Would this be appropriate?  If a germanic lock is not appropriate why does every kit on the market use a siler lock?
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: smylee grouch on March 21, 2011, 07:41:07 PM
One more lock bolt would make the nice looking gun even nicer.  Smylee
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: Dr. Tim-Boone on March 21, 2011, 08:49:46 PM
One more lock bolt would make the nice looking gun even nicer.  Smylee

Why would you want to add another lock bolt??
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: A.Merrill on March 22, 2011, 12:18:12 AM
    Great looking gun, everything about it looks fine. Thanks for the pic's.    AL
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: rennikselum on March 22, 2011, 12:14:21 PM
On the finish,
2 coats of aqua-fortis-let dry between coats. May look gray or greeninsh tint when dry
1 coat of linseed oil-soaks in rather quick.
Fan torch across wood at a safe distance-always moving the flame,never letting it rest on one spot. There are safer methods I've read about but never tried; piece of iron heated red hot and waved close to wood, Maybe a heat gun???. Will have to experiment.
Linseed oil starts to bubble and then the color will pop out.

Try this method on a piece of scrap, it is really amazing. The first time I tried this I was very hesitant to get the heat near the wood, so of course the color was not changing and I was getting disappointed. Then out of a "what do I have to lose" moment since the wood was a greenish tint. I applied the heat a little longer on the wood (fanning the torch) and the color all of sudden turns a nice reddish/brown hue.

I've only used multiple applications of linseed oil so far as a final finish.

Jeff
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: Dr. Tim-Boone on March 22, 2011, 04:41:45 PM
So Jeff, what is the advantage of putting the linseed oil on before heating the stock coated with aquafortis?  I have never used the linseed oil but the Aquafortis turns really nicely with the torch or my heat gun.
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: wetzel on March 22, 2011, 05:48:32 PM
Jeff,
Thanks for the reply, sorry to make you repeat it again, but my brain takes things really literally and I've found that many other people's don't, so I had to be sure.  I have a scrap piece at home that I am going to try it on.  I have always used Aquafortis and love it, but have never tried it by letting two coats dry and then putting linseed oil on.  The coloring of your rifle is brilliant and I would love to be able to achieve something like that.  I think allowing the two coats to fully sink in and dry would allow for the colors to go deeper.  You're rifle truly inspired me.  I have been debating for weeks now on what to build next.  Yesterday I ordered a plank of wood and the parts to build me a Southern Mountain flint, so thanks again for sharing.
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: Ron Brimer on March 22, 2011, 06:15:10 PM
 Good looking gun. I worked for Robert Watts for a while. He used the small ,large Siler locks,on his southern guns, Bob full well knew that an english lock would be the most correct. His iron mounted guns are beautiful.  Bob would sometimes English them up. Bob was most interested in how they shot, won matches. Putting a much more costly lock, that he would have to completely rebuild, was not in Bobs logic. So unless you are making a bench copy, use the the Siler file the pan, do some english looking stuff. Be happy . 2 lock bolts on a late flint?  It could be either way. If you dont know who Robert Watts is, Ask some of the older shooters,   Like I said your gun looks good.
        Ron Brimer
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: Meteorman on March 22, 2011, 10:58:04 PM
very nice, Jeff, thanks for sharing.
I'm in the finishing stages of an iron mounted southern gun myself, and can only hope it comes out half as nice as yours.
I also used a Germanic lock - one of Jim Chamber's Siler-based Dale Johnsons. 
I struggle with lock panels too.....   :-[
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: rennikselum on March 23, 2011, 12:08:04 AM
Wetzel, no problem about asking what I did...I was able to add a little more info on what I have seen as using this method.

As far as what advantage does the linseed coat have before heating, well I'm not real sure... ;) I read about this method on this site and like how it has worked.
I assume the oil may help protect the wood from charring if I prolong the heat source too long in one spot?
I have seen that it is an indicator as to when the color starts to turn...the oil bubbles out of the stock, must be the correct temp for the color change.

Jeff
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: Dr. Tim-Boone on March 23, 2011, 03:55:16 PM
I see..... the "art and mystery of the American Longrifle" !!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: Gaeckle on March 23, 2011, 07:40:46 PM
So Jeff, what is the advantage of putting the linseed oil on before heating the stock coated with aquafortis?  I have never used the linseed oil but the Aquafortis turns really nicely with the torch or my heat gun.


I'm guessing that he is warming the stock so that the oil absorbs a little deeper into the wood....just a guess.....
Title: Re: Southern Mtn Flint
Post by: SuperCracker on April 04, 2011, 06:47:25 PM
Sorry for pulling up an old thread.

Is that barrel one of the new "Southern Classic" barrels?