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General discussion => Black Powder Shooting => Topic started by: Kaintuckkee on November 03, 2011, 02:56:52 PM
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Since I am about out of LHV patch lube I am thinking about trying the Hoppe's #9 Plus as patch lube for target shooting,any info on the product is appreciated as far as how it works and shoots. thanks
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Since I ran low on LHV I have been using #9 + in my .50 an .54 rifles with very good results. I have a small round brass box I put my patches in and saturate with the Hoppes 9 +. I put a few drops in between every couple of patches and let them soak. I do not wipe between shots, just load and go!
Curtis
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around here Hoppes9+ is as rare as LHV lube...where do ya'll find it?
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I have found it in a couple of local stores (when lucky), and I have ordered it from Midway Arms.
http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/899505/hoppes-9-plus-black-powder-bore-cleaning-solvent-and-patch-lubricant-quart-liquid (http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/899505/hoppes-9-plus-black-powder-bore-cleaning-solvent-and-patch-lubricant-quart-liquid)
another source or two:
http://www.amazon.com/Hoppes-Plus-Ounce-Squeeze-Bottle/dp/B000PW20XS (http://www.amazon.com/Hoppes-Plus-Ounce-Squeeze-Bottle/dp/B000PW20XS)
http://www.opticsplanet.net/hoppes-9-plus-black-powder-solvent-patch-lubricant-8oz-bottle-10pk.html (http://www.opticsplanet.net/hoppes-9-plus-black-powder-solvent-patch-lubricant-8oz-bottle-10pk.html)
Curtis
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The Midway web page had it on clearance with a little blurb on it that stated "Discontinued by Manufacturer" don't know if that mean the container size or the product. But for all you "9+" users you may want to stock up.
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I like it for rangework also. Unfortunately it can't be left in a gun for an extended period or rust will develope.
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I used it until I ran out and couldn't find any in the local big box stores. Tried 20/20 windshield washer fluid and it works great maybe better accuracy than the Hoppes!!! It's also cheaper and much easier to find. Try it you might like it. Frank
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Since I am about out of LHV patch lube I am thinking about trying the Hoppe's #9 Plus as patch lube for target shooting,any info on the product is appreciated as far as how it works and shoots. thanks
I did the same with Hoppe's 9 Plus when I ran out of LHV - had terrific performance - virtualy the same as with LHV. I've now got some Shenendoah lube that seems the same as LHV- so far. Like LHV and Hoppe's it is slicker than the water based lubes I was also using and therefore demands more powder be use to produce the accuracy I demand. This is up to 20gr. MORE powder than when using WWWF and oil. It happens in both the .40 and .45 rifles.
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Hoppes is my favorite and I would certainly miss it. A good back up is DGWs "Black Solve". It's water based, however, and will dry out just like spit lube.
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Hoppes #9+ is all I use now. I don't hunt anymore, so it's all range use & it works great! Our black powder club puts on a meet & greet every fall at a local event & we let folks who've never tried black powder shoot our rifles as well as give them some history on flintlocks etc.. Everyone has a lot of fun & over 120 shots were fired from my rifle over the course of the day using 70 gr 3f GOEX a .495 ball & an 0.018" denim patch with no wiping at all til I packed up to leave at 4 PM! Not once was there any buildup of fouling in the bore. Hoppes #9+ is fantastic lube!
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Harry's post is vitally important, folks. Note - 120 shots in one day no wiping therefore no buildup of fouling - that means the last shot of the day loaded exactly the same as the first - easy. Note the patch thickness and ball size. Yes, lube is important, but more volume than exact nature or composition as straight water or spit has the same effect. In my guns, the .018" measured by a mic, is perfectly capable of heavy loads of 2F as well. For heavy loads of 3f, I use heavier (thicker) patching.
Those who can feel different fouling from 2F to 3F, either have rough, slightly pitted barrels (perhaps from Pyrodex) that are holding fouling OR they are using too thin a patch, OR too small a ball for their barrel. When I measure the store bought patches, I find the sizes marked are .003" to .005" thinner than what my 4 different measuring tools tell me the patches measure. I use 3 different sets of calipers and a mic.
A ball and patch fit that is allowing fouling to accumulate, is weak fit that can easily be remedied. This 'weak' fit, which allows successive shot's fouling to accumulate, makes successive loading difficult. An almost good enough fit will allow up to 10 shots or so, then require a wiping. Sometimes this type of load merely needs more lube - ie: wetter patch - but generally needs a thicker patch as well.
Except for the .32 squirrel rifle, my rifles can bounce back and forth between 3f and 2F with no discenable difference in fouling, even though they all require at least 10gr. more 2f to get the same accuracy. By no discernable difference, I mean you cannot tell the difference in powders as they both load identically, shot after shot, as the first shot loaded in the clean barrel.
It is possible a lube that remains to build up in the bore, as I'm told some salve-type geases do, ie: bore butter, that the buildup in the bore might be giving problems. To me, that is a moot point of contention (or acceptance) as those lubes are not suitable black powder lubes at all imho - or they would not build up in the bore, they'd remain wet to soften the fouling, not build up in the grooves as an inert substance.
note - in this case - inert - having only a limited ability to react chemically ---or ---- inactive or lifeless
Hoppe's 9 Pluss has been a good lube for shooting since my first trial with it in the 70's. Yes, it has changed somewhat, not as thick and no longer creamy whitish, but it still works well. In Taylor's 5 day test during the winter, into the house every day, then back outside into freezing weather the next, there was NO rusting and no fouling of the powder.
This is is not to say that it would not have rusted the 6th day - but for 5 - it was OK - here in PG ie: low humidity - but frosted and went dripping wet each time it went into the house.
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about a year ago i got four quart bottles of Hoppes #9 plus off of e-bay for nine bucks each ;D pretty much all i use now except when hunting in the winter then it's back to straight mink oil. the most i have shot without wiping with the Hoppes is probably around 25 shots,but i'm sure i could have gone on much longer. easy clean-up with generic Windex and a few patches.
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Hoppes is my favorite and I would certainly miss it. A good back up is DGWs "Black Solve". It's water based, however, and will dry out just like spit lube.
I tried to send you a pm but it got bounced.
Regarding Black Solve.
You might want to look at WalMart Simple Green.
The explanation is too long for a board message.
E. Ogre
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Its on hoppes web site;
http://www.theconsumerlink.com/product_detail.asp?BID=HOPPES&T1=TCL+HOP22+P&navStart=123&.
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I tried to order from that site and the order was cancelled due to the product not being available.
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Anyone looking for Hoppe's 9 plus Midway USA has it. I'v got some on the way
Wayne
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I tried to order from that site and the order was cancelled due to the product not being available.
oppss, I didn't go that far. I just took a peek to see if it came up and not say out of stock... That is strange.
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I talked to the local gun shop yesterday afternoon, He said it was still available, I had him order some for me. He will call it in tomorrow, I'll let you know what he finds out.
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The Midway web page had it on clearance with a little blurb on it that stated "Discontinued by Manufacturer" don't know if that mean the container size or the product. But for all you "9+" users you may want to stock up.
Do you have a link?
I searched on at MidwayUSA.....plus the Hoppe's site itself and didn't see anything like that
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It was from Swjquirrelhart's post earlier
http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/899505/hoppes-9-plus-black-powder-bore-cleaning-solvent-and-patch-lubricant-quart-liquid
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How does the Hoppes 9+ compare to Ballustol?
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All this is good and fine; but for me I'll stick with spit since I usually have some ::) Then bear oil for below freezing loading and shooting. :)
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When I'm talking about using Hoppe's No.9 PLUS BP Solvent & Patch Lube, this is what I'm referring to...their thick almost syrup like semi-liquid with good lubricity, and you can just shoot forever without wiping between shots.
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That's the stuff rb! It is a great lube for sure! It takes a while to soak a stack of patches, but I've never found a better lube.
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I bought a gallon can of it a couple of years ago and still have about half left. Unlike the old formula you have to shake it before use which is no problem at all. I'd be hurting without it.
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Interesting- I've used Hoppe"s #9 Plus off and on for almost 40 years and have never had to wipe the bore while using it. I suspect I might have been using the "old thin stuff" as I've never used the new, thick like syrup 'stuff'.
The old Hoppe's #9 PLUS loaded just fine - no wiping - ever- just like plain water or spit- slippery like LHV.
This is all we've ever used - never any fouling buildup for an entire day's shooting.
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On the other hand, Taylor tested the "Old" Hoppe's # 9 Plus as a long-standing hunting lube - 5 days loaded - didn't migrate into the powder form the patch and didn't rust the bore. Was done in the Winter time - inside during the day - with all the condensation from sitting outside overnight down to -20. No rust, no solvent fouled powder & no over powder wad nor barrier was used.
So - bottom line is for 5 days the thin stuff worked as a hunting lube - for him. It's a moot point as it's not available here in PG anyway.
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Its on hoppes web site;
http://www.theconsumerlink.com/product_detail.asp?BID=HOPPES&T1=TCL+HOP22+P&navStart=123&.
I just placed an order for a bottle. Didn't get cancelled yet.
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Took about an hour but my order was just cancelled.
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I was just informed, yesterday, by Caldwell's sales person, that none of Hoppe's products can come into Canada now, due to labling problems.
He may be right - or wrong. Anyone using this Hoppe's products up here should get it while current supplies last - if indeed, there is truth to the statement. The last time I spoke to him, 2 years ago, he told me Hoppe's didn't make anything called Hoppe's #9 Plus, only #9.
Strange, I said, I've been using Hoppe's #9 Plus for 35 years, and now I find out from you that they've never made it?
So- his statement yesterday might be true - or not.
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Daryl,
Canada and product labeling.
I remember one company supplying black powder to a distributor in Canada. Normally the labeling down here was in English only. But to ship the powder into Canada the labeling had to be in both English and French. The English label occupied the entire back of the cans. Where to put the French version?
E. Ogre
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The labeling laws have been in force for many years and until now, products coming into Canada were fine with a small sticky in French. Perhaps the laws have been made more stringent?
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I called my local gun shop and told him to order some for me on Monday. The distributor still has it in stock and it came to the gun shop yesterday, I picked up several bottles... May want to call your gun shop, while there is still some in warehouses some where.
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Well, if we can't get more in Kanada because of the goofy language laws, I'm good. I have a couple pint bottles & a little goes a long way. I only shoot from April thru October (fingers get too cold when wet with lube in winter) & my supply should last the rest of my days.
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Check with Sinclair International web site. The have Hoppe's products in the last catalog I received.
Roger Sells
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Check with Sinclair International web site. The have Hoppe's products in the last catalog I received.
Roger Sells
Is this the Sinclair International you are talking aboout?
http://sinclairinternational.com/
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Gents
In reference to Hoppes #9+ being discontinued...I e-mailed the company and received this reply.............
Alan,
Looks like the rumor is false. See below.
Thank you for checking.
Kevin
Kevin Howard
Howard Communications, Inc.
289 Hwy CC
Elsberry, MO 63343
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Arnhold [mailto:parnhold@bushnell.com]
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 2:16 PM
To: Kevin Howard
Cc:
Subject: RE: Howard Communications Inc.: hoppes #9 Blackpowder Solvent and
Patch Lube
No, that's incorrect. This product -
http://www.hoppes.com/products/no9_plus.html - is active in our system and
not marked for phase out.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Howard [mailto:khoward@howardcommunications.com]
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 1:58 PM
To: Paul Arnhold
Cc:
Subject: Howard Communications Inc.: hoppes #9 Blackpowder Solvent and Patch
Lube
Paul,
Do you know the answer to the question below?
Kevin
Kevin Howard
Howard Communications, Inc.
289 Hwy CC
Elsberry, MO 63343
Ph: 573-8
Fax: 573-898-3407
Website: www.howardcommunications.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Fisher
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 7:20 PM
To: khoward@howardcommunications.com
Subject: Howard Communications Inc.: hoppes #9 Blackpowder Solvent and Patch
Lube
This is an enquiry e-mail via http://www.howardcommunications.com/ from:
Sir
I have heard that your excellent Hoppes #9 Black Powder Solvent and Patch
lube has been/is being discontinued....is this correct?
I certainly hope not as it is the best Patch lube I have ever used.
Thank you for your time.
Alan Fisher
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It seems that the product is out of stock on thier website. I've put a request for an email notification when the product is in stock within 60 days as per thier site. We'll see.
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Just put my order in at Optics Planet. Not in stock at the moment. Will be a week an half wait...I can wait.
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Considering the 'new' packaging, it would be strange to stop making it at this time.
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The last Hoppes I bought was in a heavy gauge steel drum, one gallon. Wonder if it is still available that way. :-\
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Just got my bottle of No. 9. It's in the same 8oz plastic squeeze bottle as shown in an above picture, however, it says Hoppe's 9 with no mention of plus on the bottle.
Same label as the 9 Plus and on the back side of the bottle the use directions has 9 plus in all the instructions. It is thicker than water, but by no means thick like honey.
Do I have the same stuff?? I contacted Hoppe's ( Bushnell ) in Kansas and the consumer rep said he'll have to check and get back with me
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thanks,
rudyc
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I wonder if "this" is going to be the "NEW" label or perhaps it's an intermediate lable between the old lable like on the glass bottles and the (possibly) new one on page 2 of this thread.
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Thats what I see on the shelves in the gunshop here will be interesteing to know if its the same as the "plus"
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I'm also interested in hearing a reply from Hoppes. I've seen both labels and always thought the Plus was a newer label that was more marketing such as new or improved. Can't believe there was ever a need for two different formulas of Hoppes for black powder use.
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Bucks - it's been called Hoppe's #9 Plus since the early 1970's when I first used it.
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Bucks - it's been called Hoppe's #9 Plus since the early 1970's when I first used it.
Daryl perhaps the product is unchanged since the 70's. The different labels they use sure are confusing. Roundball shows a pic (pg 2)of an 8oz. bottle of Hoppes that has Plus on the front of the label. Rudyc shows a pic(pg 3) of the same size bottle of Hoppes with no Plus on the front of the label. About a year ago I bought 2 16oz. bottle of Hoppes #9 that has no Plus on the front label. On the back in the directions it refers to the contents as Hoppes #9 Plus?????????????
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I bought a bottle of Hoppes #9 plus a very few years ago and it had "Plus" under the Hoppes. This Hoppes was different from what I've bought since. The earlier stuff was a little thinner and didn't have to be shaken like the new stuff which is thicker. The older stuff didn't smell like the newer, either.
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Perhaps the new, thicker variety more closely matches the 1970's/early 80's #9 Plus, which was thicker, slipperier and was kind-of milky coloured.
I've not personally seen Hoppes #9 Plus not marked as such, with the Plus on the bottle.
Couple years ago, a friend had Buffalo Arms in the States send him a small bottle of the new Hoppe's #9 Plus as he'd just run out of his 1980's stock. Interestingly enough, it came right through Customs along with some cans of Kroil Oil for both of us. It looked like the plastic bottles on the second page of this thread.
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On these labels. Do they list any ingredients in it???
My bottles of Hoppe's Nitro Solvent lists the ingredients on the label. Anything listed on the labels in question here?
E. Ogre
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On these labels. Do they list any ingredients in it???
My bottles of Hoppe's Nitro Solvent lists the ingredients on the label. Anything listed on the labels in question here?
E. Ogre
Hi Monk
The MSDS is at http://www.hoppes.com/au_msds.html
1. Water
2. Hydrotreated Heavy Naphthenic Distillate 10-30%
3. Triethanolamne 1-5%
4. Ethyl Alcohol 1-5%
5. Kerosene 1-5%
6. Triazine .05-1.5%
Dan
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The site only shows the 8oz. bottle. Are there larger sizes, like 16 or 32oz?
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On these labels. Do they list any ingredients in it???
My bottles of Hoppe's Nitro Solvent lists the ingredients on the label. Anything listed on the labels in question here?
E. Ogre
Hi Monk
The MSDS is at http://www.hoppes.com/au_msds.html
1. Water
2. Hydrotreated Heavy Naphthenic Distillate 10-30%
3. Triethanolamne 1-5%
4. Ethyl Alcohol 1-5%
5. Kerosene 1-5%
6. Triazine .05-1.5%
Dan
Thank you Dan. I knew I could count on you for the info.
Hydrated Heavy Napthenic Distillate (10-30%) shows up as mineral oil on a Google hit.
Triethanolamine is used as an emulsifier/surfactant in emulsifying the mineral oil into the water base.
The use of Triazine in it is a puzzle. Google hits show its use in medicine to treat vertigo and also as an anti-convulsive.
This one had me laughing. Used to treat vertigo. Helps stabilize the projectile that gets motion sickness or is afraid of heights????
E. Ogre
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E. Ogre - Re. Triazine - the projectile IS spinning. You wouldn't want your bullet to barf before reaching the target. It would wobble like a spit ball. Smart move by the Hoppes people.
But seriously, No. 9 is just emulsified mineral oil with a dab of alcohol and kerosene thrown in. Any opinion on the functionality of that mix? Everyone seems to like it, but what is the secret of that formula?
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I just received my new bottle of Hoppes 9 Plus. It has the new lable like shown previously but I checked the website and the item number is 999. So I think it must be the same stuff as before. Has the old familier hoppes smell but seems much thinner than honey as mentioned earlier.
I think it's kind of strange that no one at Hoppes would know of a lable change. Someone sure is slipping up.
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It's not thick like honey; that's a little bit hyperbole. Think chocolate milk.
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Yeah- just a bit thicker than milk. That's the way it's been since mid 1980, at any rate, the stuff I used, was.
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I'm really anxious to try the Hoppes 9+, I've been a spit patch fan for range shooting for ever. I'm not sure what it is, maybe boredom, but lately I've been wanting to try different methods. I'm hoping for great stuff here.
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I'm really anxious to try the Hoppes 9+, I've been a spit patch fan for range shooting for ever. I'm not sure what it is, maybe boredom, but lately I've been wanting to try different methods. I'm hoping for great stuff here.
You may or may not find it GREAT, Micah - depends on your loads and techniques. It is good and well worth while, though. For me, it's accuracy virtually matched spit and LHV, which is high praise indeed.
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Roundball
As you might have read here and the other site I sometimes have some cleaning difficulties. I'm amazed by your statement about 'one patch up and down' with just a trace of color. I might shoot 30-40 shots at the range using #9+,20thou. ticking and a cast .440 ball in my Rice barreled .45 with round bottom rifling.If I run a damp patch down the bore before heading home it comes out loaded with black tinged green, fouling [Goex 3F] second one is the same.At home I hook up siphon thingy fro TOW and clean with it using a wet patch to pull water into bore.This patch gets dirty gray colored. I then run a wet patch down the barrel and discover it is black with fouling.....I wonder sometimes, if it is even possible to 'really' get one truely clean? I have tried many different cleaning tecniques with about the same results.
Macon
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I can't clean with one patch or even a dozen....well maybe a dozen will sometimes do it. Hoppes does keep the bore cleaner.
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These are not cleaning patches but shooting patches after a couple dozen rounds.
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Macon - .440" ball (have you actually measured them?) + .020" = .480". A Rice barrel, will usually be .450" bore, with .016" rilfing depth, thus .482", groove to groove. Assuming your patches are actually .020" (everyone differs with their measurements) that is smaller than the groove diameter by .001" per side and that means some fouling, however little, is deposited each shot and is building up. A thicker patch or larger .445" ball should reduce, or eliminate that buildup.
We like to see at least .004" to .005" compression each side as that eliminates any fouling buildup, gives great accuracy and clean shooting.
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Hey Daryl, would you mind sharing your technique for lubing the patches? I am wanting to get my patch lubrication to be consistant batch to batch.
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sure - I put the pre-cuts in a small tin box, ie: sucrets tin or other candy tin, one of Track's flint & striker boxes or large snuff box or glasses case - dribble or pour in enough lube to allow complete saturation, then once all patches have soaked up all the lube they can hold, I turn it on it's side and press the patches out to drain off the excess back into the container. That's for trail walks with a water-based lube or LHV, Shenendoah or Hoppe's #9 Plus.
This consistancy or lack of it, works for me. Filling the patches, then pressing it out some seems to allow them to neutralize between lubing and shooting. I don't have a match rifle, per se, so am not hung up on that precision aspect. If I did have a dedicated chunk rifle, I might be, maybe not. If the gun shot 1/2" or better at 50 yards, I'd not worry about it.
My normal accuracy rifles (.40 and a .45) shoot 1/2" or better on centres with single rest on the forend, with patches lubed just as noted, with LHV or Hoppe's #9 Plus. I suspect they'll shoot identically with Shenendoah. The oils such as bear's oil, give greater shot to shot variation on the chronograph and poorer accuracy; ie: loss of guilt edge accuracy - plenty good enough for hunting, but not as good as spit of LHV , etc.
For hunting or testing with Neetsfoot oil or Mink oil, I lube only a handfull of patches or whatever I'm going to use) by saturating and squeezing out the excess with my fingers. Any left over, I throw away. Water based lubes don't deteriorate the patches over time, like the oils seem to do. When finished shooting with a water based lube, I leave the lid open in the basement, so the lube can evapourate. I simply replenish the stock of patches and lube before going shooting again.
When seating the patched ball flush with the muzzle, there is a small ring of lube - oil or water around the top of the ball inside the fold of the cloth that was squeezed up there from the patch as it was pressed into the bore. That shows that enough lube was used.
I don't use 'dry' patches as 'dry' patches don't soften the fouling which prevents the need for wiping.
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Daryl
I also have a Lyman .445 mold that I have not tried yet. I will cast some with it for the next shooting session. Thank you for the info/idea.
Macon
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Macon, I also have a Lyman .445" mold and prefer it to .440" ball. My double cavity Lee is .440 but I intend replacing it with a Lee .445. My H&A underhammer needed .440 but the TVM does well with .445.
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Just got my bottle of No. 9. It's in the same 8oz plastic squeeze bottle as shown in an above picture, however, it says Hoppe's 9 with no mention of plus on the bottle.
Same label as the 9 Plus and on the back side of the bottle the use directions has 9 plus in all the instructions. It is thicker than water, but by no means thick like honey.
Do I have the same stuff?? I contacted Hoppe's ( Bushnell ) in Kansas and the consumer rep said he'll have to check and get back with me
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thanks,
rudyc
I just got a bottle like this one,I am gonna try it soon and see how it does
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Received my order for Hoppe`s #9. Now, can it be used for an all Day cool/cold weather Hunting Lube. Or, is there a chance that the wet Patch will soak the Powder????? I`d like to take My GPR out for Pa. Doe Season.....
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Yes- RB's absolutely right- you have to test the lube's accuracy and point of impact before trusting it to a hunt.
As far as a day or 2 day hunt, I'd use it without fear, but I might shove a barrier patch or thin wad down between the bal and powder. Taylor's test with it a couple years ago - or maybe it was last winter, showed no powder degridagtion from the Hoppe's #9 Plus over the week the test barrel was loaded. The barrel was brought in every night, then put out in the morning to expose it to routine condensation due to the -20 throughout the day and night, into a 65F house then back outside for another 8 or more hours etc. No rust, no powder problem.
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I'll not leave it loaded for any extended periods in my guns. The first time I left it loaded for 4-days(2010 Bear Season) I had a clear rust ring around the patched ball when I blew out the un-fired load with the CO2 discharger. I retrieved the ball with patch still attatched, so there was no question it had started a rust ring. That was from relatively fresh bottle of Hoppes #9 Plus lubed patch and ball over a felt wad.
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Well, there ya go.
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The bottle I have has a statement on the back -- something to the effect do no freeze-- I assume that means don't use in freezing weather.
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Means don't allow the bottle to freeeze. Most of us have used Hoppe's #9 Plus in freezing weather- that's all we have all winter and that's all my buddy and his daughter used, along with me for a full year- down to -10, it was fine and didn't freeze.
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I have not had the opportunity to use the Hoppes 9+, but as an alternative, I have soaked my patches in a motor oil such as 10W40. It was a last minute thing as my lubed patches (years old) dried out since the last time I had hunted. It seems to work well and did not affect my powder charge after shooting and reloading and being kept in the breech for 4 days. It goes down very well and the muzzle does not show any signs of rust at this time. (3 days later). Remember, Hoppes contains Ammonia, it is a good cleaner that draws moisture. I stopped using the Nitro solvent on cleaning muzzle loaders due to that.
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Went to the range thursday to try my new bottle of 9+. Forgot to pretreat my patches, so was going to treat them at the range. The day before the temperature was in the 50's well thursday the temperature was about 28 in the morning when we got to the range, and i forgot my gloves. My hands were so cold that I was having trouble picking up a 50 cal ball, never mind trying to treat patches. I'm going to try it again next time. ;D
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I have not had the opportunity to use the Hoppes 9+, but as an alternative, I have soaked my patches in a motor oil such as 10W40. It was a last minute thing as my lubed patches (years old) dried out since the last time I had hunted. It seems to work well and did not affect my powder charge after shooting and reloading and being kept in the breech for 4 days. It goes down very well and the muzzle does not show any signs of rust at this time. (3 days later). Remember, Hoppes contains Ammonia, it is a good cleaner that draws moisture. I stopped using the Nitro solvent on cleaning muzzle loaders due to that.
As far as I know, there is no Ammonia in Hoppe's #9 Plus. There may be some in the Hoppe's #9 which is the nitro or modern powder solvent, but not in the #9 Plus.
Nitro solvent does not soften black powder fouling. The 10/30 that I tried back in 1973 as a patch lube did a horrid job - gunking the powder fouling, not softening and emulsifying it as is needed. Petrolium oils are not a good black powder solvent in my experience. It may work on the phony powders like T-7, but even they need water products to actually clean properly.
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The bottle I have has a statement on the back -- something to the effect do no freeze-- I assume that means don't use in freezing weather.
It is basically an emulsion. With most emulsions if you allow them to freeze they "break". Meaning that when the water freezes the "active agent" separates. Once thawed it may or may not go back to an emulsion.
E. Ogre
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Had a chance to shoot my Flinter using the Hoppes #9. Shot very well but am really impressed with the cleanup end of it!! Used 5 patches and the last one came out clean. Shined a light down it and it sparkled. Very satisfied.... :)