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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: Avlrc on February 01, 2013, 01:37:05 AM

Title: Bedford Rifle For Sale
Post by: Avlrc on February 01, 2013, 01:37:05 AM
http://www.19thcenturyweapons.com/511/long/kentucky.html
Title: Re: Bedford Rifle For Sale
Post by: Buck on February 01, 2013, 01:49:33 AM
Doesn't look right.
Buck
Title: Re: Bedford Rifle For Sale
Post by: Don Stith on February 01, 2013, 02:16:59 AM
Circa 1960 Russ Hamm lock?
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Post by: rf50cal on February 01, 2013, 02:20:12 AM
That's a hockey stick, for sure.
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Post by: albert on February 01, 2013, 03:58:53 AM
the Russ Hamm lock that I have has the same "cast engraving"
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Post by: mr. no gold on February 01, 2013, 04:00:57 AM
What is the sense in having a Bedford that isn't a percussion with the wild hammer they used?  Looks like a coversion, at that.
Dick
Title: Re: Bedford Rifle For Sale
Post by: Buck on February 01, 2013, 04:01:45 AM
It appears from the comb to the front of the lock has been replaced. I have never seen the raised area to the front of the lock terminate with a point (on a Bedford), the triggers look to be from huntingdon. Has anyone seen a flint era rifle from Amos and Border?
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Post by: Hurricane ( of Virginia) on February 01, 2013, 05:41:45 AM
The price aint right either for a "right" Bedford.
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Post by: eddillon on February 01, 2013, 10:17:52 AM
Looks like Amos Border with a christian cross between Amos   Border.  Wrist looks very square and clubby.  Crude contemporary, perhaps?
Title: Re: Bedford Rifle For Sale
Post by: Buck on February 01, 2013, 04:07:18 PM
Suspicious, I wouldn't entertain it.
Buck
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Post by: Mark Tyler on February 01, 2013, 05:13:21 PM
Does not look like any Amos & Border or any Andrew Baker rifles that I have seen. Obviously this gun has some issues and is not a classic Bedford. I don't believe this rifle was originally flint. The patchbox side finials appear to be replaced. And several other things don't "look right" about this rifle. It has been for sale online for some time.

For a compare to rifle look at:  http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/6545693

Mark
Title: Re: Bedford Rifle For Sale
Post by: Hurricane ( of Virginia) on February 01, 2013, 09:48:52 PM
RAI also has a "J.D." Bedford for sale in upcoming auction BUT ???
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Post by: JCKelly on February 02, 2013, 02:06:00 AM
The close-up lock photo shows three screws that are modern made on a "love machine", sear screw, sear spring screw and tumbler/cock screw. Cock is investment cast.

In my ever-so-humble opinion as a metallurgist involved in some manner of manufacturing since JFK was having fun in the White House pool. Also been messing with modern muzzle-loaders since Ike was on his way out.

Can't say about the rest of the gun but I am older than that lock.
Title: Re: Bedford Rifle For Sale
Post by: eddillon on February 02, 2013, 04:19:50 AM
Quote from: Hurricane ( of Virginia) on February 01, 2013, 09:48:52 PM
RAI also has a "J.D." Bedford for sale in upcoming auction BUT ???

Which upcoming RIA auction.  I searched high and low to no avail.
Title: Re: Bedford Rifle For Sale
Post by: Buck on February 02, 2013, 05:17:33 PM
Theres a John Pringle coming up in March at Julias. Ex Kindig Collection.
Title: Re: Bedford Rifle For Sale
Post by: Hurricane ( of Virginia) on February 02, 2013, 08:49:12 PM
Quote from: eddillon on February 02, 2013, 04:19:50 AM
Quote from: Hurricane ( of Virginia) on February 01, 2013, 09:48:52 PM
RAI also has a "J.D." Bedford for sale in upcoming auction BUT ???

Which upcoming RIA auction.  I searched high and low to no avail.


The Mid February auction. I searched "kentucky" and a pair of guns came up with an estimate of $1200 FOR "BOTH."