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Title: You want to talk about web thickness?
Post by: David Rase on December 27, 2013, 11:48:07 PM: I just finished up inletting a set of swamped barrels in a one piece fore stock for a swivel breech. You want to talk about thin. The web at the breech is about .026". The muzzle is .020" and the web at the widest section is .128". The web between the ramrod channel and the lower oblique flat is a whopping .053".

(https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpreview.ibb.co%2FfaL2uk%2FDSCF3951_zps99150623.jpg&hash=8c02b77bcdd542efaf6c308bc2c43a3f0acb2874) (http://ibb.co/g8waEk)
Title: Re: You want to talk about web thickness?
Post by: Joe S on December 28, 2013, 12:18:43 AM: I admire your courage. And your skill.
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Post by: Don Getz on December 28, 2013, 12:29:46 AM: Dave........looks like a nice, neat job. Are these barrel's swamped, straight, or straight tapers? You showed us the nice
muzzle end, how about showing us the part where the rod goes inside the wood...........ha, ha, ha. I want to see which of
the "thin" parts it went thru...........Don
Title: Re: You want to talk about web thickness?
Post by: David Rase on December 28, 2013, 01:21:59 AM: Quote from: Don Getz on December 28, 2013, 12:29:46 AM
Dave........looks like a nice, neat job. Are these barrel's swamped, straight, or straight tapers? You showed us the nice
muzzle end, how about showing us the part where the rod goes inside the wood...........ha, ha, ha. I want to see which of
the "thin" parts it went thru...........Don
Don,
Those are a set of Getz swamped barrels. 38 7/8" long, .920 breech, .775 muzzle and .715 waist. Serial numbers are consecutive and old. 1332 and 1333.

And yes old wise one, I did have ram rod drill run out. The ram drill ran up against one of the oblique barrel flat at the breech the last 1 7/8". Normally I remove that triangle piece of wood at the breech any way to get the ramrod to tuck up nice and close to the barrel. I felt lucky and thought I would try and drill it out the whole way this time. The good news is that the drill ran in the right direction. ha, ha, ha.
David
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Post by: Rolf on December 28, 2013, 02:34:38 AM: Impressive work! How do you attach the barrels to the forestock?

Best regards
ROlf
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Post by: Long Ears on December 28, 2013, 02:39:02 AM: Wow Dave! That's scary for sure. Nice job. Bob
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Post by: alex e. on December 28, 2013, 02:58:58 AM: Were originals done like that? or were they a two piece deal?
A patience tester for sure.
Title: Re: You want to talk about web thickness?
Post by: David Rase on December 28, 2013, 03:24:16 AM: Quote from: alex e. on December 28, 2013, 02:58:58 AM
Were originals done like that? or were they a two piece deal?
A patience tester for sure.
Don't know which method was more common in the day. I have done them both ways and I can tell you that the 2 piece forestock is definitely easier. The barrels on this swivel gun have hooked breeches so they snap into the swivel plate and pivot nicely into the one piece stock.
David
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Post by: D. Taylor Sapergia on December 28, 2013, 03:53:03 AM: Nice going David. I've got more work for you, having seen this image.
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Post by: Acer Saccharum on December 28, 2013, 05:51:27 AM: Wow, Dave, That's impressive. And Crazy. You must be smoking your grass skirt.
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Post by: alex e. on December 28, 2013, 02:06:59 PM: Either way, very nicely done!
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Post by: smallpatch on December 28, 2013, 04:25:46 PM: Wow David,

You da man! Makes the stuff I send you look easy!!
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Post by: Don Getz on December 28, 2013, 05:45:54 PM: Dave......those barrels were probably made in 1978, something special. I was just joking about the hole, but it appears they
came out at the right place. Had to take a lot of calculating to a job like that. Did you see or have the swivel action that they
were fit to?..........Don
Title: Re: You want to talk about web thickness?
Post by: louieparker on December 28, 2013, 05:54:46 PM: David

That is an impressive piece of work ! Do you know how the builder is planning to attach the ramrod pipes, lock parts and barrels to the wood? Louie
Title: Re: You want to talk about web thickness?
Post by: Dphariss on December 28, 2013, 06:24:18 PM: I am definitely impressed.

Dan
Title: Re: You want to talk about web thickness?
Post by: Bob Roller on December 28, 2013, 07:23:59 PM: When the web is so thin there is only one side to it,that IS impressive.
Someone has the patience of a cigar store indian.

Bob Roller
Title: Re: You want to talk about web thickness?
Post by: wmaser on December 28, 2013, 07:48:50 PM: Your topic intrigues me because I am currently working on a swivel breech project , myself. I have been building guns for many years, but this is my first attempt at this type of gun. My breech mechanism, lock and buttstock are complete and I am beginning to forge my barrels. This glimpse at your work has kind of stopped me in my tracks. First of all, I'm impressed at your inletting prowess. That is some fine looking work. Secondly, Is this how the forestocks were , typically, constructed? I tend to just proceed with building without doing real thourough research. You might say that I just figure it out as I go along. It was my intention to build, bore and rifle two straight barrels and join them together with dovetail keys and/or solder. I, then, planned to grind and file the swamped profile into the barrels, now joined as one and use a two slab forestock, screwed onto either side.The forestock assembly would be semi permenently affixed to the forward swivel plate. Your construction method provides the obvious benefit of having individually removable barrels but I wonder about the strength of the system should it be dropped or recieve any rough treatment.
Title: Re: You want to talk about web thickness?
Post by: jerrywh on December 28, 2013, 07:57:29 PM: Dave.
I have never seen anything equal to that. That kind of stuff is what keeps a craftsman awake at night.