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General discussion => Gun Building => Topic started by: lowcsp on February 11, 2014, 08:25:01 AM
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I am looking for a chambers classic ketland lock it seems that all the places that I buy from are out of them and I need one for my next build.
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Have you tried going directly to Jim Chambers website?
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We have been making a few design changes to the Late Ketland lock. Those are now complete, and we are back in production. It will take a month or two to get caught up on all the back orders, but we're working as hard as possible to get all the orders filled.
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The late Ketland is my favorite flintlock, and I've used it on the majority of my builds in the last 10 years or so - I would be curious to know what changes you made and why? Thanks!
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thanks for the update i will be placing an order.
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Place a 'Want to Buy' ad in the classified section. It's amazing what turns up sometimes.
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I have one I'd part with, that I got from Barbie a while back. It has the brass lock plate though. Al Martin was going to use it on a build for me , but we changed the design, and time period. PM me if interested.
Bill
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We have been making a few design changes to the Late Ketland lock. Those are now complete, and we are back in production. It will take a month or two to get caught up on all the back orders, but we're working as hard as possible to get all the orders filled.
What are the changes Jim?
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Right after I started producing this lock Gary Brumfield pulled me aside and suggested the cock was too heavy/massive. Of course, he was right, and I promised him I would change it to be more historically correct. I'm sorry I didn't get it done before Gary left us, but it's done now. I also felt the mainspring we were using (the large Siler spring) was a little too heavy for the Late Ketland. I have also made a new mainspring that we'll be using in the Ketland.
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Interesting, Jim - on all but the first of these locks I used I've taken off considerable mass from the cock. But I rather liked the heavy mainspring. It'l be interesting to see your changes. Thanks for the explanation.
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I used to make a variant Ketland with a double throated or Reinforced cock.
The stiff mainspring is a possible cock breaker with the gooseneck styles.
The lock I made had a roller on the frizzen instead of the spring that worked against
a ramp/cam. I have thought about reviving this lock but it is more labor intensive than
I want to deal with.
Bob Roller
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Is the new mainspring going to be replaceable with the Siler spring?
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Is this Lock going to be available in a left hand model? Kinda looking at one for a Isaac Haines down the road or a SMR.
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The new spring will be interchangeable with the regular large Siler mainspring. No, we have no plans to produce this lock in left hand.
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Thanks Jim! I was looking at it from a spare-parts/repair perspective; if the springs are interchangeable, obtaining spare parts is easier. (The spare parts kit in my hunting bag won't have to be changed out when I change rifles!)
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Darn!, its tough being a lefty!.
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I recieved my new redesigned late Ketland from Jim yesterday. The mainspring is a little different, not much from the old style. The cock is noticeably smaller.
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I recieved my new redesigned late Ketland from Jim yesterday. The mainspring is a little different, not much from the old style. The cock is noticeably smaller.
Any other physical dimension changes, and does it still take the same size flint as the large Siler?
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Jim, could you post a photo of the lock in it's new configuration.
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Got one in the mail yesterday, here are the pictures.
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Oh they are dandies, all right! Tight and fast.
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thanks Eric!
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Jim,
A left hand version really would be nice. :(
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It would be nice to have lefties of everything!
Just a trigger guard mold is a lot of work. I think it's got to be at least a couple of years to get a lock into production.
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You can make a left hand shooter with a right handed lock. Lock doesn't get in the way of your sights. Hammer might block some of the flash, so it could be an advantage, even!
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All of you guys out there that must have a left hand lock because you shoot left handed....beware. I hope you like those
strange critters, when you get tired of them it becomes a difficult sell........Don
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I shoot left handed fine with "right handed guns." I'm too busy concentrating on the front sight to be bothered with the flash in the pan. That being said, My favorite rifle gun is my Miller "Lefty!" Would be nice to have a lefty Ketland, but I understand economics. I guess us lefties are just "special snowflakes." ;)
Hessian
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Got lefty,GPR, don't figure to sell it anytime soon,,,took far to long to find it,,Then I shoot an easy answer to the "problem",,, I have a H/A,Underhammer,,"Heritage" ,,can't go wrong there...
I shoot either side,good idea just incase when tshtf,you can still function,,,, either side!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Train the way you might have to fight,,,,
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Got one in the mail yesterday, here are the pictures.
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Anybody have pictures of the old style lock? I have one of these that I got from Barbi at the CLA show in 2012 and it looks just like this one. Is there an identifier?
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Subtle change in shape of cock...... and I think a change in the tumbler.... not sure though
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How do you know which one you have then? ???
I returned my lock to Chambers some time back to fix a bad bounce back problem, and it came back fixed. I think they changed out the main spring. But I don't know for sure. It doesn't bounce back anymore.
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Right after I started producing this lock Gary Brumfield pulled me aside and suggested the cock was too heavy/massive. Of course, he was right, and I promised him I would change it to be more historically correct. I'm sorry I didn't get it done before Gary left us, but it's done now. I also felt the mainspring we were using (the large Siler spring) was a little too heavy for the Late Ketland. I have also made a new mainspring that we'll be using in the Ketland.
Very nice lock and yes the hammer does look much better. Keep up the great work and thanks for all your hard work :)
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All of you guys out there that must have a left hand lock because you shoot left handed....beware. I hope you like those
strange critters, when you get tired of them it becomes a difficult sell........Don
I'm not going to sell mine. Unlike others out there I don't get tired of flintlock rifles. :-X I hear too many say "I wish I hadn't sold that rifle!". You don't any sympathy from me.
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I started working on my "TN" about the time everybody ran out. Jim graciously sent me this one of the "old" Late Ketland configurations. These pictures were taken as received.
I'm still working on it so I haven't shot it yet, but so far, I like it. Tim
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You can make a left hand shooter with a right handed lock. Lock doesn't get in the way of your sights. Hammer might block some of the flash, so it could be an advantage, even!
It's the flame that is vented across my face that I don't like when shooting a right handed flintlock left handed.
d-a