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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: Nate McKenzie on April 20, 2014, 09:58:53 PM

Title: Original Lehigh Rifle
Post by: Nate McKenzie on April 20, 2014, 09:58:53 PM
Hi. I haven't posted any pictures lately so I figured it was time to share some.  This is a rather plain Lehigh rifle.  Unfortunately it is unsigned.  The barrel is 44.5" long and .461" rifled bore with 7 wide lands and narrow grooves. It is slightly swamped from breech .937"-.839"-.845".  Wrist is 1.33" wide and 1.44" high.  LOP is 13.25" and a 4" drop.
Does anyone have an educated guess as to maker?

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Thanks for looking and comments.
Title: Re: Original Lehigh Rifle
Post by: Shreckmeister on April 20, 2014, 10:10:46 PM
Shouldn't that tang give it away?  I wouldn't think it is common. Nice rifle. The rear sight looks like N Hawk's
Title: Re: Original Lehigh Rifle
Post by: mark esterly on April 20, 2014, 11:58:31 PM
an early rupp maybe? herman OR john
Title: Re: Original Lehigh Rifle
Post by: Hungry Horse on April 21, 2014, 04:53:48 AM
This gun looks like a restock from the pictures. The wood look pretty new, or maybe just over cleaned. JMO.

               Hungry Horse
Title: Re: Original Lehigh Rifle
Post by: Eric Kettenburg on April 21, 2014, 06:00:42 AM
The tang looks far too new, looks like some decorative fluff to fill an old mortise with a replaced tang screw, and the lock looks reconverted from what I can see in the non-close up photos.  The pipe is a little funky too but I could get past it.  Overall it looks scrubbed at the least.  That said, 2nd or 3rd decade of the 19th century I'd say, could really be anyone as it's a generic piece.  There are lots like this out there.  I can;t seem to zoom in on the pictures so it's tough to get a real feel for surface, detail etc.

The forestock molding termination looks like someone added it later.  I'll bet it was just a line that petered out, would be more typical that way, but someone had to 'improve' it down the line.

Overall profile is pretty nice for the era.
Title: Re: Original Lehigh Rifle
Post by: eddillon on April 23, 2014, 02:08:16 AM
Nate, beautiful rifle resting on a fantastic "dog foot" tree.  Must compliment on that tree as well as the rifle.
 ;D

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Title: Re: Original Lehigh Rifle
Post by: GrampaJack on April 23, 2014, 02:59:04 AM
Is it my imagination or is that tree growing on top of a rock? I like the lines of the rifle but that tree is really cool. Thanks for posting. Jack
Title: Re: Original Lehigh Rifle
Post by: Avlrc on April 23, 2014, 03:18:29 AM
Quote from: GrampaJack on April 23, 2014, 02:59:04 AM
Is it my imagination or is that tree growing on top of a rock? I like the lines of the rifle but that tree is really cool. Thanks for posting. Jack

Maybe it is a Rock Oak. ;D Sorry , I just had to say that.
Title: Re: Original Lehigh Rifle
Post by: Eric Kettenburg on April 23, 2014, 04:23:52 AM
In reality, it's godzilla's foot and he's about to trip over that rifle.

 :P
Title: Re: Original Lehigh Rifle
Post by: Dale C on April 23, 2014, 02:45:53 PM
Quote from: Eric Kettenburg on April 23, 2014, 04:23:52 AM
In reality, it's godzilla's foot and he's about to trip over that rifle.

 :P

People always under estimate the stopping power of a longrifle.
Title: Re: Original Lehigh Rifle
Post by: Eric Kettenburg on April 23, 2014, 08:13:57 PM
 :D :D :D