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General discussion => Gun Building => Topic started by: D. Taylor Sapergia on June 01, 2015, 07:06:29 AM
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I hesitate to post anything after quickly perusing Jerry's latest presentation. Lord have mercy...I am so unworthy!!
Anyway, here's the rifle I built for my moose hunting guide, Tammy Eichhoff. She works for Michael Schneider up here in North Central BC, and apart from being a lovely young lady and a talented taxidermist, she's a great hunter as well. I'll see if I can add his web site to this post at some point.
The rifle was inspired by a piece in Steinschloss Jaegerbuschsen. It has a Rice .62 cal x 31" bbl, browned per her choice. The stock is a relatively plain piece of very dense sugar maple, stained with a very weak solution of Ferric Nitrate, and finished with Tung Oil. She is left eye dominant, so I made the rifle to order. The lock was an issue, since no one makes a nice left hand Jaeger lock. I chose a lock by L & R and did a lot of modifications. The butt plate and trigger guard I acquired here from Jerry Huddleston, but I had to make my own side plate. The nose piece was part of the set I bought from Jerry, but the rod pipes came from TOW. So here's some pics:
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Oh, and the rifle weighs 7.7 pounds. I'll sight it in on Tuesday.
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Beautiful Taylor, my respects! What about the sights, no details of that. And the engraving on the trigger guard? Great Jäger :)
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Super nice!....I have only made lefty so......it gets confusing swapping everything doesn't it?
She'll have to get some rain and bush leaves on it...slide over a few windfalls.....brush thru some adder thickets....THEN it will look right! :D ;D
Marc n tomtom
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Taylor,
Ausgezeichnet ,mein Freund.Ein Kanadien/Deutsche Meisterstuck.
Bob Roller
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Beautiful Taylor,
I like the restraint in the extent of the carving. You did really well modifying that lock. I'd like to see a close up of that sideplate. Looks like some great engraving.
dave
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Wow! Beautiful Interested to see how it shoots.
Tim C.
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Very nice, I really like it since I am left handed.
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Hi Tayler! very nice :)
Runar
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Hi Taylor,
Nice clean work on a style of gun that seems to be underappreciated in Longrifle circles. That should gain you a few bonus points with your guide and an extra measure of kibble in your bowl on your next hunt.
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Now that is a moose rifle ! Beautiful work . Can we see more re the sights ?
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Taylor, That is a VERY worthy piece of work!! I am not a fan of most of the Jaegers I have seen....This one is elegantly beautiful!!
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Interestingly enough, it fits & points well if held right or left handed. He nicely crowned the muzzle, too. ;)
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If I might add to Bob Roller's remarks-schöne Handwerkskunst
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Sweeeeeet!
Great balance of elegance yet restrained. Just the way I like 'em.
Jeff
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Taylor.
Now days I am an engraver. I am probably not as proficient at gun building as you or some of the others are on this forum. Your work is always very impressive. If that trigger guard is the one I sold you I would like to know how you fixed that little defect in the side of the bow. I don't think I could have done that. That is a great gun.
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What Bob Roller said.
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Jaegers don't normaly turn my crank, but that's sure 'nuff a nice one! Looking forward to the pic of it draped over a 60" moose rack. :)
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That gun is neither plain ror too fancy, but just right.......stunigly perfect!
The amount of talent displayed on this website makes me feel SO unworthy. :-[
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If I might add to Bob Roller's remarks-schöne Handwerkskunst
Ja,und Alt Deutsche Kunstfertigheit.
Bob Roller
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That gun is neither fancy nor plain, but just right.......perfect.
The amount of talent displayed on this website makes me feel SO unworthy. :-[
NEVER,EVER feel unworthy.I couldn't begin to make such a rifle or even think about try to copy
Jerrywh's engraving.I can make a useable gun but RIFLES are made by craftsmen like Tayor and
others on this site. I do NOT feel unworthy and have my own field of expertise than has been
successful for us.
Bob Roller
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Taylor,
If I were a Canadian moose, I would be first in line to be shot with that gun. Excellent piece of work that is very well executed. It will only get better with use, which I assume she will give it.
David
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That's a beaut Taylor. From nose to heel she flows just right. Nice lock treatment and engraving elsewhere, the relief carving masterfully done.
dave
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Beautiful rifle!! Which rifles in Steinschloss- jaegerbuchsen were the maim inspiration?
Best regards
Rolf
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As with some others here, I am not normally a Jaeger fan, but that one makes me want. That is a wonderful blend of restrained elegance and visual appeal. Remarkable artistic balance without being over done. Great work Taylor.
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My sincere compliments!
May I ask, what did you do to the muzzle? It seems to have several facets??
You must show us more of that fine looking rifle.
Fred
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old ford2 looks to me like a white hair from the fur it is laying on,,good crisp picture !!!!
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Really nice architecture - I like the big sweep of the rear edge of the cheekpiece. It wouldn't work on a slender longrifle, but works great on this. Really nice job.
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Wow,
What a lucky outfitter, she must be very good
Very nice work on that rifle
I love the carving & engraving
Jeff
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Taylor,
No reason to take second best with this Jaeger. Beautiful rifle.
Mark
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Thanks for all the great feed back lads! Your encouragement is most welcome and appreciated.
This design literally screams 'HUNTING RIFLE'! It shoulders so naturally and points like a finger. The rifle weighs in at 7.7 pound, so is not a burden to carry all day, and I have made provision for a sling, just to make it even handier.
Here's some pictures to help answer questions:
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This front sight is silver in copper base. I've left it high to adjust for sighting in, which I'm going to do with Daryl in a few minutes.
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The side plate is 1/8" thick brass, inlet half into the wood, and with heavy bevels. The engraving elements came from John Schipper's great book on engaving, but is my own design, for the most part.
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Finally, here's a shot of the trigger guard. It IS the one I got from you, Jerry, but it was the butt plate that had the blemish, not the trigger guard. I added a lug to the inside return and pinned it high through the lock mortise.
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Here's the rifle in Steinschloss Jagerbuschsen that gave me the inspiration:
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You can see by the date on this last image when I started this project, which of course, does not include parts gathering.
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Beauty rifle,
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That's a great bit of news! As a co-incidence, that is the very area where she will be spending these next two weeks, guiding along the Driftwood River, where Herr Schneider has a guiding/outfitting territory.
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I don't hunt......but I'm waiting for my gift gun too!!!!!! :'(
marc n poor tomtom
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No co-incidence, names and places associated with critters stick in my usually sieve like brain. browsed it on the shelves at UBC years ago when I was goat addicted and did some evil oil company work that included GOABC involvement in the area.two and two. I am gonna remove the title as a bow to Herr Schneider's privacy.
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Kaintuck, my guess is that if you are willing to sustain an honest 10,000 black fly, hornet and mosquito bites, wrestle a dozen quads/ski doo out of holes, pack $#@* until your discs form a solid bar instead of a spine, wear out 3 pair of boots and a lifetime of foot skin, treat the grateful and ungrateful alike as royalty, ride out a few optic inspired migraines, adopt complete responsibility for the welfare and legal status of whoever shows up, lead a few stupid horses down a few stupid slopes and suffer a dozen other indignities to your physical and mental well being someone might just gift you a rifle! LOL. She aint getting nuthin for free.
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That's a beauty Taylor and I can't really add much to what has already been said. Well done and thanks for all the pics!
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Mr. Doyle: you have said a mouthful there, and and obviously had the pleasure of guiding. But Tammy's specialty is getting close and personal - bow range - from Mountain Goats and Sheep. She can ascend and descend a mountain without hardly breaking a sweat, and make it look easy - and she loves it! She packs a good camera and lenses wherever she hunts and takes some amazing pictures too. The rifle is going to a good home. It'll get and give good service, and I trust that it will count for many fine heads.
Again, thanks all for your kind words.
Taylor
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Taylor and Daryl shooting the new rifle for the first time. Front sight needed filing away about 1/3 to bring the impact up to centre at 25 m.
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Climate is dry here right now. I had ignition issues right off for two reasons: I forgot my priming horn so was priming with GOEX 2Fg Cartridge. And the vent is a little too small at factory drilling. I intend to enlarge to .070". She needs the rifle to manifest fire when called upon. A FITP is unacceptable.
So I get to take it out again before she takes delivery....he he he!
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Ddoyle,
Oh no! Not me....I have worked in the health care field since 1989.....when retire out, I DONT want anymore of the public!!!.....I can only imagine what these guides go thru with the macho egos with a gun!....got to kill something.....and then after the second day....the babykins mammy pamy comes out all over...complete with spoilt attitudes....and now we have cell phones and all that falls behind that!!
I used to backpack up the Appalachian trail for my own vacation....just memyselfandI.......my backpack started out at 55lbs!...would kill me now, but the solace of the woods and animals was wonderful.
I just can't anymore kill anything, but have gone MANY times hunting with family and friends.....seen everything, from bucks to Bobcats.....and the rifle or pistol just laid in my lap...... :) just didn't want to take a life. So yup, I would like to book a Canadian "hunt"......just with a camera.........ahhh....someday....
And Taylor, that barrel looks short in you long arms!....I'm used to Lancasters sticking wwwwwaaaayyyy out there!
Y'all have a great week....
Marc n tomtom
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Cool and clean Taylor, very nicely done, and correct handed to boot!!!!
Robby
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There is so much to like about this rifle, Taylor. Very sweetly built, and nice detailing all over. I love the patchbox detent for your thumb.
Your climate looks dry, the fouling is white. That's what we get on low humidity days here in NY, and ignition is not quite so fast as a humid day. With high humidity and heat, the fouling is a soupy black mess, running all over and down the lock and stock.
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ddoyle - you kit the nail RIGHT SMACK DAB on the head - even peened it over a bit - even of course - for about 70% - the remaining 30% have been a huge pleasure to hunt with. Sometimes you just have to bite your lip (dang hard for me to do) and endeavor to persevere.
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Wow Taylor, nice rifle. I`d be interested in, and hope you`ll post the range results once your satisfied. Kerry
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I finished sighting it in today, a total of forty rounds including yesterday. Last night I drilled out the vent to .070", and today, used 4Fg GOEX ion the pan. An enormous difference in ignition.
I started with 85 grains FFg GOEX Cartridge holy black, a .600" dead soft lead ball and .023" linen patches (from old table cloth). After filing the front sight to bring the impact to centre, I fired five into a raged hole in the 2" bull at 25 meters from the bench. I went to a 4" dot at ~ 60 meters, and the impact was low, just under the bull at six o'clock. So I upped the charge to 100 gr. and started cutting into the black, but the group was bigger than I like. So I upper the charge again, to 120 grains - same patches soaked to dripping with saliva - and fired three into a single hole in the middle of the bull. This using the same sight picture as with 25 meters. I found to hit centre at 100 meters, I had to raise the entire front sight blade over the notch in the rear sight, and hold centre. It's an easy and fast sight picture to acquire, and will work perfectly ;for a hunting rifle, which this one certainly is.
An interesting note: While I was trying the first load - 85 gr., I switched to 3Fg GOEX and it raised the impact point about 3/4" over the 2" bull. I did the same at 60 meters, and the strike was about 5" high of centre. The 3Fg was not as accurate as the 2Fg either, so I abandoned it. Also, recoil with 120 grains of 3g, while ok for a hunting situation, is not very pleasant for shooting many shots from the bench. The 2Fg was not hard on my shoulder in the least. There was no need to clean the rifle during this exercise. Loading was very easy with a 3/8" hickory ramrod. I used a starter to introduce the ball and patch.
Clean up in the shop was simple: remove the barrel and lock, toothbrush off the breech, two flannel patches on a slightly diminished .62 cal jag with the breech in a bucket of tepid water, drain the barrel, dry off the outside, barrel in leather of bench vise, and dry patched out. I used three sets of double flannel patches to dry the bore, reversing the pair each time, for a total of six wipes. Then WD 40 into the bore, and a double patch wet with same to coat the bore. Wipe the barrel down with the same patch.
The lock cleaned up easily with a toothbrush and the same water. Compressor to blow out water, spray with WD 40, blow again, wipe it off and cleaning is done, apart from the wood wipe down, and the ramrod.
The rifle is pleasant to shoot, but at that light weight, I find it hard to hold still offhand. One gets spoiled by a 10 pound rifle with a long barrel. But when it comes to packing, this one will be a treat.
Thanks all for the nice compliments...appreciate your support.
Now, a Hawken rifle for a gentleman in Ontario...he's been very patient.
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Wonder if cannon grade would do even better???....me thinks the granular have oxygen space between them?.....and combust easier???
I have my 54cal soon to be finished......I will try that grade experiment...... Interesting!
Did you say it was a C weight barrel?....enlarging the flash ole to .07 due to that thick breach area???
I haven't drilled my touch hole yet......just wondering.
Nice riffle wish I could handle if in person, and see it shot at night with that big powder load!!! ;D
Marc n tomtom
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Taylor that is a very nice Jaeger rifle nothing there not to be proud of. I am in the carving stage on mine. This must be the year of the Jaeger! I used the same guard and barrel that you used on yours. Let us know how it shoots and the load that you used. Besutiful rifle thanks for sharing it with us.
Sorry i just saw your last post on how it shot. I hope to sight mine in a couple of weeks.
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It is a Rice .62 cal x 31" barrel I bought from a contributor on this site...sorry, can't remember from whom! It is 1 1/8" at the breech and I think about 1" at the muzzle, with a skinny waist. It's light by my experience.
I have a Hawken rifle with a Rice .62 cal barrel, and it likes 127 grains of FFg GOEX for optimal accuracy, so I'm not surprised to find that this little rifle needs a similar charge. One difference though, is that I'm using .600" balls in the Jaeger, but .613" balls in the Hawken. I wanted the rifle to be easy to load.
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Interesting Taylor, thx for posting. I believe I have the same barrel in my ESR , but havent really put the time in yet on the bench. The small ball/thicker patch I have yet to try out, hopefully mine will perform similarly
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Late to the game here Taylor, others have said it all already - very very nice rifle, clean lines and crisp details - the standard with your work! I'm itching to build a .58 or .62 short barreled gun sometime later this year, looks like you and Daryl had fun shooting! You mentioned in another topic a little of the tuning you did on the lock, I was wondering if you tuned or altered the springs on that lock? It was a good choice to use for the gun, and despite the large breech you made it fit well. Thanks for sharing, always love to see your work.
-Eric
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I've always enjoyed Germanic rifles and this one's a cutie! Sounds like it's a shooter and I hope Tammy posts a few pics of the game she shoots with it. Very nice job, Taylor...thanks for posting.
Also, thanks for Hugh's information. He's anxious to help with my stock debacle and perhaps I can get my .62 cal ESR rifle build going.
Dan
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It sure turned out nicely- but I expected that. It's fun to shoot as well, Eric - but with 120gr. 2F, I'd need to put the PAST protector on to do good work. After just one of those, the cartilage in my right shoulder told me to give it a break. With the PAST on, I can shoot the .69 all day with 140gr. - fun guns, these.