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General discussion => Contemporary Longrifle Collecting => Topic started by: summit15 on January 09, 2016, 01:22:19 AM
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Hi All
Wondering if anyone can give me some info on this rifle. I assume made by Russell Hamm? I have had it for years and never was able to find out much about him or when it may have been built. The inside of the lock is unmarked. I have never fired it but plan to do so.
Thanks Paul (https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi63.tinypic.com%2F141sdid.jpg&hash=df1ad384b5d381e469ad12c110c13cfc0d623dfe) (https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi67.tinypic.com%2F15xalj8.jpg&hash=b244f032c6c450f7b0ee8c0f5954ca8791b44050)
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I think there used to be a lock maker by the name of Russ Hamm or something like that.
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Russ Hamm assembled locks and lived in Indiana. I don't know if he ever built a rifle
but his locks show up once in a while.
Bob Roller
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Hi Paul,
Welcome to ALR. I've heard of Russ Hamm, but don't know much about him. That is a nice looking rifle, would appear to be well made. Hope your enjoy the rifle and your time here on ALR.
-Ron
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Hamm locks were passe' by my time but I always figured he was probably a gunmaker as well. Looks to be a real nice rifle considering it's probably pre 1970.
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Russ Hamm lived in both Crawfordsville Indiana and lastly in Veedersburg Indiana. He did assemble locks back in '60's and 70's, and were of poor quality at best. He did build a few rifles and restored some originals as well. In 1967 he was restoring a Dickert rifle and while in Russ's possession my grandfather T.K. Dawson went over and took several before and after photos of that rifle, and also made drawings and carving foil transfers to which I still have. That particular Dickert can be seen in Kentucky Rifles and Pistols on page 74. However the book lists it as a 45 cal that was not the original bore size. As best as I can see from my photos the barrel was originally larger than 54. However sadly as may be once things are put into print it is taken as the gospel.
Mark Brier
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Here are some pictures of Russ Hamm locks. They were pretty good in their day but not up to today's standards.
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Thanks to everyone for the comments and info. Here are a couple more pics Found a little info on this forum apparently Hamm did not make many rifles. Its 45 cal. Mule ear lock as you can see.
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Nate
those locks look great displayed like that. I assume Hamm would have made my lock. I can find no marks on it.
Paul
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Could your rifle have been built for Russ an that might be why his name is on it? Just a thought . I have a couple of Russ Hamm locks an they worked fine. If he did build your rifle he did a fine job on it. Imho Thanks for posting.
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I built a 45 cal long rifle about 1970 or there abouts with a Russ Hamm Maslin lock that is one of the fastest flintlock that I have ever shot to this day. A lot of people made fun of it one fellow shooter called it Olde Ugly and the name stuck! It wasn't pretty being my first attempt at building a flintlock but I did win many, many matches with it. I still have that lock but after being fired who knows how many tens of thousands of time it is very much wore out. I still have the rifle the stock has the finish just about worn completely wore off the lock mortise is so loose that it would have to be completely rebuilt. The barrel and triggers were replaced at least once maybe twice. Yet it hangs in my shop and every once in a while I get the urge to restore the rifle?
Richard
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I remember seeing Russ Hamm frequently at gun shows in central Indiana that I attended with my father when I was growing up. I also remember visiting Russ's home in Crawfordsville, IN at one time. He performed some restoration work on the forestock of a Kentucky rifle for my dad at one time, and the work was maybe O.K. for the time period (late 50's) but certainly not up to suitable standards now. Non-matching wood type and lots of black paint to hide. He did borrow the M.M. Maslin lock from dad's rifle purportedly to use as the pattern for his Maslin style lock. I believe he later sold his lock business to Dean Mitton from Veedersburg, IN who continued making and selling "Hamm" locks for a number of years.
I recall that later on, Russ Hamm wintered in Florida for a few years, and I think it was during this time that he offered re-soled frizzens that sparked really well, but were re-soled with some type of radio active material.
My first scratch built rifle utilized on of his Dickert locks, which sparked well, but wasn't very tight, nor did the closed frizzen seal the pan. Tom Dawson told me there were better locks available, and I moved on to other types as a result of his sound advice.
Art DeCamp
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As Mike Books said that is one heck of a rifle for the time frame.
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As Mike Books said that is one heck of a rifle for the time frame.
Pretty !@*%&@ good engraver for any time!
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Thanks again for all the comments and info.
It is a nice looking rifle. I've had it for about 25 years. Always thought it is well done but not quite up to the standards of
some of the modern makers. I also own a nice William Buchele I would guess is from around the same period as the Hamm. I think the Buchele is a bit better in overall craftsmanship, but doesn't have as nice of a "period" look as this rifle. I cant believe I never fired it but have more time to play now.
Cheers Paul
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As an aside, Russ Hamm bought his castings from an investment casting foundry in Madison Heights, Michigan. It was just west of I-75. I think they would cast from their customer's waxes, at least were said to do so for fancy custom stainless hood ornaments (remember them?) in the 1970's.
I can not remember the name of this foundry. Anyone have a better memory? It has been gone for years.
And yes, I very much like that rifle.
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Any chance of some inside pictures of the lock? It is a beautiful rifle.
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Will do
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Some pics of the lock and cheek side of the stock.
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Years ago & visited Russ at his shop in Crawfordsville. Was there several times & remember his as a tool & die maker. I think he worked at Donnelly's . His porch going into his shop was loaded with great powder horns & bags & Kentucky's. He did do some gun building & restoration & he was a collector . I didn't live far from him.
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Thanks Howard, do you remember the approx.. Year?
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I was hoping you would show the other side. That really is an incredible rifle.
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I whole heartily agree with you Michael! Can I call you Michael....Mike. After seeing this fine rifle by Russ Hamm and the Armstrong piece by Houston Harrison on the blog this week, I find that there really was some fine work being done back in those early contemporary days!
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Thank you for posting the additional pictures, that is a very neat looking rifle and I always like to see inside those mule ear locks.
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Thank you all again for the info and nice comments !
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Well he certainly had good taste as well as being a good maker.
And he must have had Kindigs book like most of us ol' guys did at the time, as the cheek carving is after Adam Ernst, and the tang inlay that of John Armstrong!
And amazingly to me, I copied the carving and inlay from those same two makers on the first rifle I made back in 1980, although Mr. Hamm did a much better job than I did.
Thanks for posting up your rifle summit!
John
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Thank You John!
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The flash guard for the mule ear is quite interesting.This can up just recently on another thread.Hate to reinvent wheels.
Thanks for the photos.
Regards Stuart