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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: Feltwad on March 13, 2016, 12:02:27 AM
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Enclosed are some images of guns by Samuel Nock that may be of interest to members which I restored.These guns began has patch locks with a detachable nose and built around 1820 they were later converted to percussion using a detachable nose they were also built with a grip safety.
Samual Nock was the nephew of the famous Henry Nock and was one of his apprentices ,Samuel was first listed has a gunmaker in 1804 at Hawkesbury Place ,Walworth London he moved to 180 Fleet Street in 1806-1822 then in 1823 -1852 he was in busines at Regents Circus .After he died in 1851 the business was carried on by the executors at 116 Jermyn Street from 1853 to 1858
Feltwad
Workings of the grip safety
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Gun Locks With Detachable Nose
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Finished guns Cased
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Enclosed are some images of guns by Samuel Nock that may be of interest to members which I restored.These guns began has patch locks with a detachable nose and built around 1820 they were later converted to percussion using a detachable nose they were also built with a grip safety.
Samual Nock was the nephew of the famous Henry Nock and was one of his apprentices ,Samuel was first listed has a gunmaker in 1804 at Hawkesbury Place ,Walworth London he moved to 180 Fleet Street in 1806-1822 then in 1823 -1852 he was in busines at Regents Circus .After he died in 1851 the business was carried on by the executors at 116 Jermyn Street from 1853 to 1858
Feltwad
Workings of the grip safety
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Gun Locks With Detachable Nose
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Finished guns Cased
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That "nose" can be installed on almost any caplock hammer.
Those are ugly.
E.M.Farris had a muzzle loading shotgun with the grip
safety but we never took it out to see how it worked.
Bob Roller
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Feltwad, do you have any pics of the locks internals?
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Feltwad, do you have any pics of the locks internals?
Enclosed image of internal parts
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Feltwad
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Really interesting pair. I like the way the case is set up with the barrels in a tray. Are they both the same bore and configuration? Thanks so much for posting the pictures. Once again I'm seeing something I've never seen before. Jack
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Feltwad, do you have any pics of the locks internals?
Enclosed image of internal parts
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Feltwad
Interesting back action mechanism. I still think the old locks,in spite of the stunning craftsmanship in them were made of iron. The bridle post on the right hand one is missing and replaced with a stop screw.If I were
going to make a back action lock,I'd use these as a pattern only with steel bridles.
Bob Roller
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Bob you will find that this type of hammer was common on early percussion guns that were original patch lock .they were used by such names has Manton , Spencer and the builder of the first percussion sxs shotgun James Rowntree which used the steel top hat caps. Ugly no it was the common style of the period for a patch lock.
Feltwad
James Rowntrees Patchlock Conversion
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Working parts of Rowntrees Lock
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Spencers Patchlock conversion on a sxs shotgun
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These early cappers and patch locks are very interesting. I had a T. Mortimer that started out life as a patch lock. Had a cased gun with a grip safety for a short time too, very cool. Can't remember now who built it now....... ::)
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Hi Feltwad,
I've never seen that grip safety before. Thank you very much for posting the pictures and information.
dave