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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: okawbow on February 03, 2018, 04:40:24 PM

Title: Another set of flintlock pictures( full length pictures added)
Post by: okawbow on February 03, 2018, 04:40:24 PM
As promised, the 3rd gun to discuss.


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Title: Re: Another set of flintlock pictures
Post by: Mike Brooks on February 03, 2018, 05:23:49 PM
'Merican militia musket.
Title: Re: Another set of flintlock pictures
Post by: rich pierce on February 03, 2018, 07:23:33 PM
Quote from: Mike Brooks on February 03, 2018, 05:23:49 PM
'Merican militia musket.

Between the wars?  Pre-1812 or hard to say?
Title: Re: Another set of flintlock pictures
Post by: Mike Brooks on February 03, 2018, 08:29:37 PM
I'd say 1810-20?
Title: Re: Another set of flintlock pictures
Post by: okawbow on February 03, 2018, 08:31:38 PM
What does the 1825 stamped on the barrel mean?
Title: Re: Another set of flintlock pictures
Post by: JV Puleo on February 03, 2018, 08:37:06 PM
Is the barrel cut down? There is no bayonet lug and not enough barrel for the bayonet to fit. The date is very similar to that found on Massachusetts proved barrels, as it the "P" stamp but, under the Massachusetts proof law, it should be stamped with the prover's (the word they used at the time) initials and the date under "P  M". The rest of the gun is completely consistent with a date in the mid-1820s. I suspect it was a musket and the muzzle has been bobbed.
Title: Re: Another set of flintlock pictures
Post by: Pukka Bundook on February 03, 2018, 11:23:12 PM
The trouble is, it's like trying to look at an elephant from six inches away.

Best regards,

Richard.
Title: Re: Another set of flintlock pictures
Post by: Hlbly on February 03, 2018, 11:30:11 PM
The date pretty well nails this one down. A plug bayonet is a possibility.
Title: Re: Another set of flintlock pictures
Post by: 120RIR on February 04, 2018, 02:11:38 AM
Those look like markings often seen on 1816 (1822/23) "Springfield" muskets.  Sixty nine caliber I presume?
Title: Re: Another set of flintlock pictures
Post by: JV Puleo on February 06, 2018, 12:30:34 AM
Quote from: Hlbly on February 03, 2018, 11:30:11 PM
The date pretty well nails this one down. A plug bayonet is a possibility.

Huh? Has anyone ever seen an early 19th century American plug bayonet? All of these "militia muskets" were what was called training muskets... intended for militia training day. There is no conceivable way a plug bayonet, which was hopelessly obsolete more than 100 years before this musket was made, would have been accepted as passing muster.
Title: Re: Another set of flintlock pictures( full length pictures added)
Post by: okawbow on February 09, 2018, 05:19:38 AM
More pictures


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