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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: smart dog on July 04, 2018, 11:05:24 PM
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Hi,
New England arms historian, Richard Colten, and I had the opportunity to closely examine this gun with the kind assistance of Beth Gilgun of the Memorial Museum at Historic Deerfield, MA. It is cherry stocked and likely made somewhere along the Connecticut River Valley perhaps as early as the 1740s or 1750s. It is in remarkably good consition likely because the thin walled barrel developed a hole about 3/4s the way toward the muzzle. Rather than cut it off and shorten the stock, we suspect it was just put aside. The French parts appear to be from the 1740s. The 57" barrel is 62 cal, has octagon flats for 9" forward of the breech and then transitions to round with no band. There is a flat sighting ramp on top of the barrel extending from the breech all the way to the silver front sight. It is about 1.22" across at the breech but tapers so rapidly in the first 6 inches that the rest of the barrel is almost straight. Hardware is brass and well engraved but without a lot of shading. The buttplate return and triggerguard have fabulous sculpted finials. The lock is held on with 3 bolts. The original ramrod has what appears to be a silver tip that completely covers the end of the rod. This link will show you a full length photo of the gun:
http://www.memorialhall.mass.edu/collection/itempage.jsp?itemid=5200
I am building a gun very similar to this but with a shorter barrel. I am going to try and copy the hardware as closely as possible. I will post photos of the build starting next month.
Enjoy,
dave
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Beautiful
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That’s a really nice Fowler.
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Really nice. Thanks for taking the time and trouble to share the pictures. Look forward to following the build of your similar Fowler. Tim
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Exceptional gun. How long is the lock? I suspect it may be off a buck an ear.
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Hi,
Thanks for looking folks,
Mike the lock is 6" long and 1.19" wide behind the pan fence. I wish we could remove the lock to see if it has an internal bridle. It is an exceptional gun and only weighs 7lbs 6 oz. A little information on Jonathan Hawkes, he was born in Deerfield, MA in 1707 and died in 1784. He was an officer of provincial troops during the F&I war and was with Amherst when he took Fort Ticonderoga in 1759. It is interesting to speculate when the gun was built. It definitely shows wear, particularly around the pan and vent hole so it was likely used quite a bit, yet the stock is in great condition. Richard Colton and I agree that the lock, barrel, and hardware are from the 1740s or even earlier. However, that does not indicate when the gun was made.
dave
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Remarkable set of images Dave! You photograph with the builder in mind.
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Interesting piece, thanks for sharing it with us.
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A really beautiful fowler Dave. Thanks for posting.
dave
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It's a beautiful piece. However, I'm a bit torn as to how to date it. I do not think it's a 1740s gun. Off hand I would put it maybe 1760s give or take a bit. What I find especially interesting is the three lock screws, especially because it appears the side plate was made to accommodate a 3rd screw, unless I am viewing the picture incorrectly. This would be extremely archaic even in the 1740s. The only explanation I can see for this, especially with a lock only 6" long, is that either the maker or the customer, or both, were outrageously conservative. Frankly despite the extremely artistry and fine construction of the piece, the three screw lock seems quite out of place. Also the third bolt seems to cut into the engraving on the lock in a way which leads me to think it was an afterthought, although if I am viewing the pictures correctly and the side plate is designed to accommodate the third bolt, might lead to contradictory interpretation!
Thanks for the photos because it's an awesome fowler regardless.
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Most all the parts are French ca. 1730's-40's, except for the lock and sideplate which I believe are slightly earlier, probably 1700-1720, the French were still using three screw locks on their trade guns through that period, although usually slightly larger, up to 6 7/8" or so. If I had to guess I'd say the lock is not bridled on the inside as it was/is a trade gun lock. So, we're probably looking at parts from two donor guns. The gun in it's present form was probably made ca.1760's - 70's.
Lots of functioning guns and busted up guns came out of the raid on Quebec......can't remember exactly when that was....but anyway, these guns ended up being restocked all over New England for several decades there after.
And, that's all I got to say about that. :P
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Dave, will you cast your own hardware for this project or modify something available?
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Thank you all for commenting,
I am inclined to believe Mike's description having viewed the gun up close. I wish we could remove the lock. It is very robust and appears well made but the engraving really is one-dimensional. The trigger guard, side plate, and butt plate are much finer than the lock. I think it is a composite gun from the 1750s or 1760s. Now, keep in mind that Hawk was 43 in 1750 and 53 in 1760 and the gun shows wear on the lock. Fifty three was an old man then. I suggest the gun was made prior to the 1760s. My guess is that it was made early enough such that Hawk used it until it developed a hole in the barrel and then put it aside. This is a superior New England gun and deserves study.
dave
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Fantastic!
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Hi Dave, Can't wait to see your progress on this fowler. That original is a beautiful gun, love the French style butt stock.
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It’s beautiful. It could stand to have the rust removed.