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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: smokinbuck on December 08, 2020, 01:10:14 AM

Title: Additional surprise
Post by: smokinbuck on December 08, 2020, 01:10:14 AM
I recently acquired a rifle by Joshua Zartman, 1816 - 1891, Licking County (Newark) Ohio.the rifle is in excellent condition inside and out and is well marked as to the maker. The additional surprise was found on the underside of the butt stock. Carved there clearly is "J Stilly Dec 13, 1869". Perhaps the owner at the time, I will be checking the census.
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Title: Re: Additional surprise
Post by: Avlrc on December 08, 2020, 01:26:26 AM
Awesome condition & Icing on the cake finding the owners name.  I always like stuff like that. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Additional surprise
Post by: JTR on December 08, 2020, 03:38:41 AM
That is really nice!
Hope you have luck on the owners name!
John
Title: Re: Additional surprise
Post by: Shreckmeister on December 08, 2020, 03:47:45 AM
What year did Zartman leave Armstrong Cty PA?  The Zartman’s and Schreckengosts were intermarried. My 4th great grandmother Susannah Zartman was married to gunsmith Benjamin Schreckengost. Zartman May well have learned the trade from Schreckengosts. There are Stilly’s in our area.
Title: Re: Additional surprise
Post by: Shreckmeister on December 08, 2020, 03:49:51 AM
There is a restored grist mill in VA that was built by Zartmans of the same family
Title: Re: Additional surprise
Post by: smokinbuck on December 08, 2020, 04:46:44 AM
Shreck,
I haven't found a Benjamin and only one mention of Pensylvania. Elizabeth Zartman married Dr Stevens and they lived in Phiadelphia. All of Joshua's family were born and lived in Ohio. I will continue to look.
Title: Re: Additional surprise
Post by: redheart on December 08, 2020, 05:39:58 AM
Smokin cool rifle!
Title: Re: Additional surprise
Post by: Shreckmeister on December 08, 2020, 05:47:48 AM
Oops sorry. Catherine Susannah Zartman was married to my 5th great grandad Conrad Schrecengost.
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11 Oct 1759 • Warwick Twp., Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA
I’ll have to dig a little
Title: Re: Additional surprise
Post by: Robby on December 08, 2020, 06:39:37 PM
He sure had a good hand with a graver!!! Nice!!!
Robby
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Post by: Joey R on December 09, 2020, 12:57:43 AM
Yes indeed! His signature on the top flat is a work of art of it's own.
Title: Re: Additional surprise
Post by: Marcruger on December 09, 2020, 07:10:31 PM
Beautiful gun.  Thank you for sharing. 
Title: Re: Additional surprise
Post by: quaint acres on January 04, 2023, 08:55:29 PM
There is a restored grist mill in VA that was built by Zartmans of the same family

If you are referring to the mill in Opequon, VA outside of Winchester, then yes it is currently owned by a ZARTMAN, my father. However it was built by the Glass family. We are simply the caretakers now in a long line of owners, and yes my parents have restored it, but not to a functional status as a mill. Most of the equipment inside had already been sold off.

Also if anyone hear's of ZARTMAN rifles for sale, please contact me. Thank you.
Title: Re: Additional surprise
Post by: tak on January 04, 2023, 10:37:43 PM
Shreck,
I haven't found a Benjamin and only one mention of Pensylvania. Elizabeth Zartman married Dr Stevens and they lived in Phiadelphia. All of Joshua's family were born and lived in Ohio. I will continue to look.
Joshua Zartman’s father, Alexander IV, moved from Northumberland Co., PA, in 1811 to Hopewell Twp., Perry Co., Ohio. Joshua was born in 1816. Alexander IV’s father was Henry. Henry sister was Susannah Zartman Schreckengost. Joshua Zartman is my great, great, great uncle.
Title: Re: Additional surprise
Post by: Avlrc on January 05, 2023, 06:02:47 AM
There is a restored grist mill in VA that was built by Zartmans of the same family

If you are referring to the mill in Opequon, VA outside of Winchester, then yes it is currently owned by a ZARTMAN, my father. However it was built by the Glass family. We are simply the caretakers now in a long line of owners, and yes my parents have restored it, but not to a functional status as a mill. Most of the equipment inside had already been sold off.

Also if anyone hear's of ZARTMAN rifles for sale, please contact me. Thank you.

AOLRC has a couple shows every year. One in Marrietta & the other in Newark, be a good place to look.  Here is their Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1883927131852802  Watch Old Barn auctions, they sell a lot of Ohio guns. https://www.oldbarn.com/
Keep an eye on these shows, if you see one in Pennsylvania, you might try that. You may need to join the CLA to attend.
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