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General discussion => Black Powder Shooting => Topic started by: Lslite on April 03, 2021, 08:38:26 PM
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Planning a black bear hunt in Canada.Is it possible to transport black powder and a flint longrifle on the plane and into the country ?
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Air travel with black powder is verboten. If you were driving across the border no biggie. In short you need to make arrangements with your outfitters to have black powder shipped to them. BJH
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Might find that a problem. Better to have the outfitter supply it for you, I would expect.
Last I heard, was that the only carrier allowed to carry black powder in Canada, Purolator, refused to do it.
Now, we've had black powder shooters come shooting here every year to rendezvous and hunting as well from the States, however these people normally drive and as far as I know, have had no difficulty at the border unless they had handguns of any sort.
I suggest you contact the Firearms centre and ask.
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/contact-the-canadian-firearms-program
Found this: Appears driving is fine. The Airlines might have trouble with it.
Exemption of Certain Explosives
[SOR/2018-231, s. 21]
Marginal note:List of explosives
190 (1) A carrier or driver is not subject to the requirements of sections 191 to 203.1 if they transport
(a) no more than 12 kg of an explosive with the number UN 0027, BLACK POWDER (GUNPOWDER) or UN 0028, BLACK POWDER (GUNPOWDER) COMPRESSED;
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Your outfitter will have contacts where he can arrange to get you the black powder you need. I was contacted by a fellow from Australia who had come to my next of the woods, and I supplied him with the grade and quantity he needed, along with percussion caps. Just using that as an example.
Getting the rifle into Canada is no problem, though. So have your outfitter make the calls he needs to to procure your propellant. Stay completely clear of BP Substitute powders...they don't work in flintlocks worth a $#!++....
I have the name of an outfitter in Alberta that can help you if you are going to that province.
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All good advice so far. IIRC you are permitted 500 grams when you cross to hunt so that would be just over 1 pound.
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Flying with BP in the US is forbidden on a commercial aircraft
Fleener
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Thanks gentlemen,once we pick an outfitter I'll see if he can provide the powder.If not,I guess I'll be hunting with the longbow.
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Depending on where you want to hunt, I might have outfitter contacts that can have powder there for you. PM me if you want to hunt in Manitoba, Saskatchewan or Alberta.
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where are you hunting? I know a good guy in BC with good prices and he ships all across Canada.
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Not to be a stick in the proverbial mud, but powder is really a moot point in this discussion unless this is a fall hunt. Canada is currently not allowing US citizens to enter the country for “leisure” activities. There is no indication of when that ban will be lifted.
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I thought the borderlands were still guarded and folks were still being turned away.....
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Just getting into Canada might be the hardest part
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I have some Amish that I know crossed in MN at the land border a couple of weeks ago to go visit someone and then came home after a few days.
They had no issues crossing the border. Makes no sense to me.
Fleener
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Apparently, if you are in the immediate family of a Canadian resident you may be allowed to visit! However, The travel restrictions are still in place. https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/border#before
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With two years of no U.S. hunters up there I imagine the outfitters are taking a huge hit. Hope they all survive for when we can head north again.
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I had a Spring bear hunt for 2020, pushed back to 2021, now pushed back to 2022. I hope he is still in business in 2022 and I dont have to eat my deposit.
The good thing is that the bears should be big, fat and ready for some company.
Fleener
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Planning on taking any home with you, Fleener? Which Province?
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Saskatchewan, North of Saskatoon. Hoping to bring back most of everything.
Two day drive each way from Iowa.
Fleener
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On my last hunt in Canada (New Brunswick) I checked with the RCMP first. I was told I could bring 35lbs for personal use! I brought an unopened 1lb can. I also removed my butt plate and wrote Name, address, phone# and DL #, it helped with paperwork at the border I was called aside so I could discuss flintlocks with the RCMP, great guys, very interested in historic weapons.
Kevin
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Saskatchewan, North of Saskatoon. Hoping to bring back most of everything.
Two day drive each way from Iowa.
Fleener
That's cool!
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The first time I crossed the border with a ML, 5 of us were on our way up to moose hunt. We had all built our ML's. I had a serial number on mine.
By the time the customs agent got to me, he simply shook his head and said "your a crafty bunch".
I had to educate them on the flintlock regarding it not needing a permit for crossing.
Fleener
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I carry a plasticized copy of that page of the Criminal Code in my truck seat pocket, that says flintlocks, any flintlock or replica flintlock (or match lock), is classified as an antique and not a firearm.
On the other hand, in Canada, caplocks are classified as firearms same as any other "modern" firearm. Go figure.
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Yes, you can cross the border with a Flintlock and not have to pay the $25. CD fee but you do have to pay it for cap locks, that if you don't have a PAL card. In 2015 I called the RCMP Hdqtrs. and they told me you could carry 500 Grams of black powder with you when you come up to hunt. There are around 453 Grams in a pound so a 1 pound can of black was ok then as it was in the fall of 2019 also.
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So, if you are a Prisoner At Large, they give you a card for CD$25.00?
Guess I am lucky. Any firearms I bring to Canada in 2022 will be flintlocks. And I will carve a serial number on each.
As I will have my Service Dog with me, I will also have a Vet's certificate attesting to health.
Got to find a likely suspect to feed the cats while I am gone though. Although each will come when called, don't want to risk them as bear bait on my overnight tent camping.
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Craig: The PAL card (possession-acquisition) will get you into Canada without having to pay the $25CD fee. Getting the card is a process of taking a safety class, getting a background check, pay fees, getting references and maybe more. Other wise you pay the $25CD fee at the border for center fire and Perc. ML guns. Leave the cat bait at home as it's not allowed to bring bait into Canada. ;D
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LOL- I was going to make a comment about bait, but I won't. ;D
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Daryl, reminds me of the time the Canadian customs said I could not bring chicken into Canada because of Avian Bird Flu. I had to go back to US Customs and dispose of my $40.00 worth of bonuses chicken breasts. They would have made good bait if I was baiting. ;D
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LOL - I had a small baggie of sliced carrot pieces in my carry-on luggage, attempting to get though US customs. LOL I said to the gal, why don't you take them,
I'd hate to see them go into the garbage. They're really sweet carrots. She let me take them aboard the plane.
No fruits or vegetables to cross the border. I had forgotten them were in my luggage. I was supposed to eat them before getting to Vancouver, for our flight to Los Angeles
then to Australia.
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I've never had any problems driving to shoots in Canada with flintlocks and BP. I also shot varmints up there a lot, and took modern rifles and ammo. At our particular border crossing, they never did look at any of the guns. I used to go up there often enough I got a Purchase and Acquisition License, both unrestricted and restricted, so it would streamline border crossings, and buy a gun or supplies if I chose to.
One interesting thing I have put to use many times, is Montana is a quarantine area for potatoes, as much of Idaho's seed stock comes from here. When coming back through US customs, they ask if you have any produce. I told them I had some potato peelings in my garbage bag. They took the whole thing! After that, I always told them the same thing, regardless of if I had potato peels or not!
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Craig: The PAL card (possession-acquisition) will get you into Canada without having to pay the $25CD fee. Getting the card is a process of taking a safety class, getting a background check, pay fees, getting references and maybe more. Other wise you pay the $25CD fee at the border for center fire and Perc. ML guns. Leave the cat bait at home as it's not allowed to bring bait into Canada. ;D
The test I took in Elk River was the a#$%?~!@ thing I ever saw. All the answers were on the walls of the test room. Not needed, as I swear the test was written by a grade school kid. When the tester took me into another room to see if I was familiar with firearms, he had about ten long guns leaned up on the front of the table. He walked behind the table, leaned on it, and all the guns fell over in a pile. I was horrified, he was dumbfounded. He cut that part short, and I was wondering if I would get out of there alive without that particular rocket surgeon shooting me? Anyway, I aced both tests.
When I came up for renewal, the RCMP sent a request for a current background check from the local sheriff. I had a current check from the FBI, since I was working for a gun company at the time. So, I sent that to them. Nope, no good, I got a letter back in a week or so, insisting on the local sheriff's okey dokey. I had to pay $10 for them to do the background check to send to Canada.
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I've never had any problems driving to shoots in Canada with flintlocks and BP. I also shot varmints up there a lot, and took modern rifles and ammo. At our particular border crossing, they never did look at any of the guns. I used to go up there often enough I got a Purchase and Acquisition License, both unrestricted and restricted, so it would streamline border crossings, and buy a gun or supplies if I chose to.
One interesting thing I have put to use many times, is Montana is a quarantine area for potatoes, as much of Idaho's seed stock comes from here. When coming back through US customs, they ask if you have any produce. I told them I had some potato peelings in my garbage bag.They took the whole thing! After that, I always told them the same thing, regardless of if I had potato peels or not!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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No cats, no cat bait. Two flintlocks, balls, patches, lube, cleaning stuff, ONE pound of ffG, couple flints, and my camping stuff. And Miss Sunny, my Service Dog, and her canned dog food. And if I had a friend to leave her with, I would do that. But the last two times I left her, she escaped and went to our house. One trip was 6 miles, other was 16, across two rivers, busy highway, and train tracks. But she is VERY gunshot shy, thus the desire to leave her.
I will be due to get a new Service Dog this next year, Sunny is about 15 now, and the VA wants me to get a younger dog. She is rarely more than 15' from me, and knows most of the cashiers at Tractor Supply and Walmart. Looking for maybe an Australian Shepherd. Herding dogs do make splendid people-taker-care-of dogs. Expensive, tho, with all the training.
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The Australian Shepherds are nice dogs - very loving. Liver and white, the 2 I've seen.
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My last one - and my only Aussie Shepherd, was a red merle. Kind of orangey and brown over white.
Neighbor a few houses down had a pair of those little monster dogs. Not sure of the exact breeds, as I dislike little dogs with attitudes, an di learned working for several vets that it is the little rascals that hurt you. Nasty little-----
So, these two had the temerity to come into my yard and start yapping at Talvez, my dog. He would herd about anything, and decided to herd those two back to where they belonged. He was turning so fast, honest to goodness, dirt was flying off his back feet like a dragster hurling bits of rubber. Bowled over the first one, got the other. Then turned so sharp that he got the first one again, then the second. Kept that up until they were well and truly up on their own porch.
He turned around, peed on the edge of the porch, and calmly walked back to my place. I was laughing so hard I couldn't stand up!
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That was a riot just reading it. Good visuals, Craig. Tks.
The liver and white, is the Springer-type colouring.
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