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General discussion => Gun Building => Topic started by: monro1066 on May 24, 2021, 02:01:49 PM

Title: Carving
Post by: monro1066 on May 24, 2021, 02:01:49 PM

Ok is a deep v Chisel or stabbing in the best to relief carve .
Youtube has both ....I suppose the real question is what did the master smiths use ?
Don

Title: Re: Carving
Post by: Mike Brooks on May 24, 2021, 03:49:35 PM

Quote from: monro1066 on May 24, 2021, 02:01:49 PM

Ok is a deep v Chisel or stabbing in the best to relief carve .
Youtube has both ....I suppose the real question is what did the master smiths use ?
Don

The answer is yes, both are best.

Title: Re: Carving
Post by: Ron Scott on May 24, 2021, 04:38:06 PM

If you indicate what type of carving you wish to create, a more definite answer is likely. Simple c scrolls vs inticate Rococo for instance.

Title: Re: Carving
Post by: rich pierce on May 24, 2021, 05:10:02 PM

Some originals show use of multiple techniques. Contemporary builders often prefer one method or the other. I guess all designs could be executed by stabbing but using a v chisel would not easily execute all parts of all designs as noted above.

Title: Re: Carving
Post by: monro1066 on May 25, 2021, 05:06:01 AM

Makers F.Sell,F.Zorger,G.Eister,Shroyer,A Ernst.J.Grove,J.Armstrong,JP,Beck,etc
The above all seem to be artisan makers
Also I seek good reference work books as I dont have access to handle guns .
Am looking for books on Lancaster /Bethleham Easton Young family
and York school guns .

Title: Re: Carving
Post by: J. Talbert on May 25, 2021, 05:33:37 AM

Without debating which method was used by which builders, I can say that I use the stab in method more than the v gouge for several reasons.
1. Sharpening a v gouge optimally can be a bit tricky until you get the hang of it.
2.  I find it easier to follow my pattern when stabbing in as opposed to chasing the v gouge around the curves.  This problem is exacerbated if your v gouge is not sharpened just so.
3. The stabbed in method yields a sharper more vertical shoulder on the edges of the carving.
4.  My carving results improved dramatically when I began using the stabbed in method.

I know that many people use the v gouge with good results.  I’m just saying that stabbing in works best for me, and it is used by a lot of top notch builders.
Good luck,
Jeff

Title: Re: Carving
Post by: D. Taylor Sapergia on May 25, 2021, 07:06:01 PM

I use both sets of tools for relief carving.  After using a parting tool to outline the design, I use stabbing tools to accentuate the design.  This allows for very shallow carving that looks like mountains.  This Jaeger rifle I made for my favourite hunting guide has raised carving done in this manner.


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