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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: Page93 on November 17, 2021, 04:28:02 AM
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KETLAND one word on backside of lock . And the letter “T “ carved next to the side plate , Any where i can send a wood sample to date the stock . Thanks!
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To me it appears to have a French barrel, buttplate, guard, and sideplate from the mid 1700s. The lock appears to be a flat English flintlock from around the same time.
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Looks like fusil de chasse trigger guard, M1728-1754 side plate, and a modified M1754 musket butt plate. Everything looks French, even the Ketland lock.
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I can't see the pictures but if it is marked "Ketland" – inside the lock – it cannot pre-date 1793.
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Looks like a very nice New England "composite" fowler to me. Dan
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Ill post a picture of the backside of the lock . Im no expert but I've read alot online and from what I have gathered, Ketland was renowned for there locks but no one can put an exact date on when they started making them . Correct me if Im wrong .Thank you all very much .
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Almost everything about the K's that is "on-line" is wrong. The K's never made locks. They sold locks, tens of thousands of them, but they were all made in the Birmingham trade. In fact, it would be reasonable to presume that no British gunmaker after the first quarter of the 18th century, and likely earlier, made their own locks although some of the better makers may have finished them. In any case, when the post-revolutionary importation of British locks is firmly fixed by the arms embargo that was instituted in 1774 and lifted in November of 1792. The K's were one of the first to take advantage of this - theirs was the second or third export license granted but the export of loose locks didn't begin until a little later. A Ketland lock made prior to the embargo would not have been marked on the inside. I've had a couple of those locks, one on a gun actually dated 1793 and probably one of the earliest export fowlers.
I'd be able to give you a better analysis if I could see the photos.
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Thanks!
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It doesn't do me any good. For some reason, as yet unexplained, I can't see most pictures posted to this site.
Thus far, no one has been able to puzzle out why, especially as this is the only site I have a problem with.
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Almost everything about the K's that is "on-line" is wrong. The K's never made locks. They sold locks, tens of thousands of them, but they were all made in the Birmingham trade. In fact, it would be reasonable to presume that no British gunmaker after the first quarter of the 18th century, and likely earlier, made their own locks although some of the better makers may have finished them. In any case, the post-revolutionary importation of British locks is firmly fixed by the arms embargo that was instituted in 1774 and lifted in November of 1792. The K's were one of the first to take advantage of this - theirs was the second or third export license granted but the export of loose locks didn't begin until a little later. A Ketland lock made prior to the embargo would not have been marked on the inside. I've had a couple of those locks, one on a gun actually dated 1793 and probably one of the earliest export fowlers.
I'd be able to give you a better analysis if I could see the photos.
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Whats your email sir ill send them that way
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jvp5070@gmail.com
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Interesting-looking firearm, very grateful that, unlike JV, I can see all the pictures.
Your background for the photos brings new meaning to the term "shooting pool".
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It doesn't do me any good. For some reason, as yet unexplained, I can't see most pictures posted to this site.
Thus far, no one has been able to puzzle out why, especially as this is the only site I have a problem with.
JV,
As with the other photos you are unable to view, the photos in this thread are hosted on ibb.co and i.ibb.com
I believe this is a key to your problem, but I'm at a loss for a solution.
Are you able to see the photo below?
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No...
I'm perplexed by that as well as I have clicked all the permissions for the ibb site. I only participate in a few forums but don't have this problem elsewhere. It may be that none of them use ibb but I have no way to tell. Oh...and I can post images to ibb but still can't see them!