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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: moodyholler on February 27, 2023, 03:15:47 AM

Title: Double Rifle
Post by: moodyholler on February 27, 2023, 03:15:47 AM

.58 Double Rifle by James Wilkinson, with lots of extras and case.

(https://i.ibb.co/BnfbZ1g/20230226-184402-copy-800x600.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vXcpPtJ)

(https://i.ibb.co/Xx7Wsrg/20230226-184408-copy-800x600.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9HbpTkL)

(https://i.ibb.co/vBRp22H/20230226-184523-copy-800x600.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QctLssf)

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: moodyholler on February 27, 2023, 03:17:14 AM

More pics

(https://i.ibb.co/zh5YkKv/20230226-184056-copy-800x600.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3ysqJtZ)

(https://i.ibb.co/rFtfRCt/20230226-184109-copy-600x800.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jb5ZPc5)

(https://i.ibb.co/4W342Wp/20230226-184025-copy-600x800.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7vLrQvK)

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: moodyholler on February 27, 2023, 03:18:13 AM

More

(https://i.ibb.co/Db2YLbq/20230226-184251-copy-600x800.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8BZbXBh)

(https://i.ibb.co/Fg2V6Rd/20230226-184142-copy-800x600.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f4fvMjT)

(https://i.ibb.co/g9hNmJD/20230226-184132-copy-800x600.jpg) (https://ibb.co/W5jZGfc)

(https://i.ibb.co/r53ZcwB/20230226-184120-copy-800x600.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KVD9Lrt)

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: moodyholler on February 27, 2023, 03:19:12 AM

Letter in box

(https://i.ibb.co/ncQ8Xxr/20230226-182939-copy-800x600.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Ph1z2qx)

(https://i.ibb.co/MZ1cph5/20230226-182946-copy-800x600.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Kbs27Gz)

(https://i.ibb.co/GvJ8R01/20230226-183051-copy-800x647-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LzPc18q)

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: moodyholler on February 27, 2023, 03:20:20 AM

Some extras

(https://i.ibb.co/tsxbzs0/20230226-183213-copy-378x416.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)

(https://i.ibb.co/Rb9mYhH/20230226-183722-copy-800x600.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JtK4mxk)

(https://i.ibb.co/yFhv6qR/20230226-183726-copy-600x800.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xqm916s)

(https://i.ibb.co/N2XVvwJ/20230226-183731-copy-600x800.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LdMkF4c)

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: moodyholler on February 27, 2023, 03:21:46 AM

Last ones

(https://i.ibb.co/F7L9hXv/20230226-184548.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4NncF2y)

(https://i.ibb.co/d0hSjrQ/20230226-183950-copy-800x600.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4ZQcK7j)

(https://i.ibb.co/t2W1Tdb/20230226-183937-copy-800x600.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gWBcLnD)

(https://i.ibb.co/pjqFcxc/20230226-183750-copy-800x600.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1GcW1L1)

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: Curtis on February 27, 2023, 03:55:50 AM

DANG that is one nice rifle and set!!!!  Thanks for sharing.

Curtis

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: snapper on February 27, 2023, 04:08:28 AM

Looks like it should work.

Post some targets when you get a chance.

Fleener

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: Mike Brooks on February 27, 2023, 05:21:11 PM

Nifty

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: alyce-james on February 27, 2023, 05:24:45 PM

snapper; Sir. Thanks for posting pictures for us to enjoy with you. I enjoyed going over all support pieces pictured. The bullet mold stamping in particular.  Thanks for sharing. Have a great week. AJ.

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: Longknife on February 27, 2023, 05:33:38 PM

Moody, You have a real "hog tamer" there!!! Have you checked the twist and are the bores good? Waht does that bullet weigh? ...LK

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: smylee grouch on February 27, 2023, 05:40:37 PM

Such A treat. Thanks for such an extensive photo display of a great gun. Would love to take that one on a Bear hunt.

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: Pukka Bundook on February 27, 2023, 05:57:54 PM

A very good rifle, Moody!
Would it be possible to add a few nice in focus photos of the locks and such?

Yes, and details, calibre and such!
Was going to say you can still get information from Wilkinsons, but the letter tells you that!

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: taterbug on February 27, 2023, 08:38:03 PM

To say that is nice would be an understatement!  I've never seen a double layer case before, never even considered one.  Obviously was included with an extra set of barrels as well, and everything that would be needed for an extended 'adventure'. 

Just an afterthought, does anyone remember Wilkinson safety razor blades?  Yeah, it's been a while...

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: moodyholler on February 27, 2023, 08:52:30 PM

Taterbug, had 2 rifles and 2 pistols. Only 1 left.

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: Shreckmeister on February 27, 2023, 09:48:19 PM

Nice outfit.  Do you have a picture of the muzzle?

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: moodyholler on February 27, 2023, 09:50:04 PM

I'll post one.

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: Daryl on February 27, 2023, 10:23:28 PM

Quote from: taterbug on February 27, 2023, 08:38:03 PM

Just an afterthought, does anyone remember Wilkinson safety razor blades?  Yeah, it's been a while...

And Wilkinson Swords. I used only Wilkinson razor blades for years.

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: Justin Urbantas on February 27, 2023, 10:23:51 PM

that's a heck of a rifle. Where did you find that beauty? You should take a trip out west, maybe to Alaska and put it to use on grizzly or maybe moose.

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: taterbug on February 27, 2023, 10:38:15 PM

2 rifles and 2 pistols?!  Ah, that explains some of the compartments that didn't fit my brain.  no wonder it needed a double decker case!  Everything required for the duration of the campaign!! 

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: moodyholler on February 28, 2023, 02:39:43 AM

Muzzle

(https://i.ibb.co/rH0xJLs/20230227-183602-copy-600x800.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bXmsnyJ)

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: moodyholler on February 28, 2023, 02:53:50 AM

Moody, You have a real "hog tamer" there!!! Have you checked the twist and are the bores good? Waht does that bullet weigh? My scale won't weigh them, too heavy. Checking bores and casting Friday. Trying to figure starting load. Will check twist. Thanks

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: Daryl on February 28, 2023, 08:39:50 AM

Exquisite rifle. Before I had a scale that would weigh heavier than 510gr., I had to cut a chunk off the bullet and weigh both pieces.
????

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: ntqlvr1948 on February 28, 2023, 09:40:59 PM

The rifling must be very shallow..I can't see it

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: taterbug on March 02, 2023, 07:11:03 AM

yes, the rifling is shallow.  I had to zoom in on it.  looks 5 lands and grooves, and the grooves look about twice as wide as the lands.  and are the lands rounded on top? 

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: Hudnut on March 03, 2023, 03:03:35 AM

The Wilkinson books have survived.  You may be able to obtain a copy of the page on which this gun was entered.  The identity of the purchaser may be recorded, as well as the names of the primary workers who built the gun.
In the case of my Wilkinson, a 16ga flint single, it was entered in September 1822.  Unfortunately the purchaser was not recorded; perhaps sold over the counter in their Pall Mall shop.

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: Mattox Forge on March 04, 2023, 05:32:49 AM

thanks for sharing this!
Mike

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: moodyholler on March 11, 2023, 11:29:57 PM

8.8 lbs, not A&T tubes
moodyholler

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: bigsmoke on March 12, 2023, 03:23:21 AM

Yessir, that is surely sweet.
Only way I can think of its being better is if the bores were bigger.  But that's just me.
Thank you for showing it.
John (Bigsmoke)

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: moodyholler on July 10, 2023, 03:10:47 AM

1 turn in 36 inches
8.8lbs
Shipped 1853

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: Bob Roller on July 11, 2023, 07:33:26 PM

Another great example of Engllish rejection of medocrity in gun making.I wish you had shown the locks which are no doubt top of the line.
Bob Roller

Title: Re: Double Rifle
Post by: moodyholler on July 11, 2023, 07:43:00 PM

Bob I can't get them out of the wood. Sorry.moodyholler