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General discussion => Black Powder Shooting => Topic started by: bulljg on August 25, 2023, 02:23:27 AM
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What are the orange flakes sometimes caused by? Not always there but only "Sometimes" ?
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It is a byproduct of black powdah combustion, but it depends on the humidity. I am here in the Northeast and when I see them they are ‘red flakes’.
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Here in CA I get red flakes also. ;D
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I live in the Ohio River Valley and I remember seeing red residue shaped like a tiny ball.The powder was DuPont 3fg,No flakes that I recall.
This was with a muzzle loader and never with the heavy bullet breech loaders.
Bob Roller
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If my old memory serves me. When building loads for the heavy plains rifles they had a saying: "make 'em bleed" meaning keep adding powder until you see red drops at the end of the barrel. Probably just another myth, but maybe some truth to it?
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What are the orange flakes sometimes caused by? Not always there but only "Sometimes" ?
Sulfur.
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When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then red beads will appear --- ;D ;D ;D
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It is called barrel blood in our neck of the woods and, rightly or not, is considered an indication of a good charge.
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It is called barrel blood in our neck of the woods and, rightly or not, is considered an indication of a good charge.
A byproduct of combustion under certain atmospheric conditions is all. Meaningless as to load etc however Ido see "this" fairly often with small red balls adhering to the barrel walls at the muzzle, no flakes.
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Agreed with regard to indication of a good charge. Others believe otherwise.
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For what it's worth, I remember being told that it was some sort of a chemical tracking method aded to the powder by order of the ATF?? Have no idea how it would work, or if at all true??
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As Daryl stated this a byproduct of the combustion of black powder under favorable atmospheric conditions. The red balls are sulfur. I have had the same loads produce the red balls one day and not on another day. They seem to appear when the humidity is high.
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Next time one sees this at the muzzle, vary the charge significantly. It will still be there. These sulfur beads come and go, as said, with weather conditions.
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Agreed with regard to indication of a good charge. Others believe otherwise.
I asked the same question 40yrs ago and my mentor said it was a sign that you have a good powder burn, nothing wasted. Don’t pay much attention to it now but thanks for bringing back good memories!
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For what it's worth, I remember being told that it was some sort of a chemical tracking method aded to the powder by order of the ATF?? Have no idea how it would work, or if at all true??
You are referring to "tagants". ca. 1990s The idea was to include multilayer, multi-color, chips to the powder. They were proposed to be like multilayer paint chips. The color variations could be arranged in orders to identify batches. The powder used in cartridges would leave trace evidence at a crime scene. The idea as cooked up by people who did not understand crime scene investigation or science. IT would have given no actionable data to investigators. Information about batches or ammo or reloading powder is not specific enough to be helpful. The practicality of implementation was not fully considered. People like me were consulted. The idea was so bad that even politicians could not continue to back it. It was abandoned, thank goodness.
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What are the orange flakes sometimes caused by? Not always there but only "Sometimes" ?
Normally its little red beads. If I dug deep enough I could find Bill Knights explanation of this. But its really not something that can be fixed or particularly worried about. Charge weight, caliber, weather, powder brand. ? Flakes? Of any color… Some powders in some guns/calibers at some charge levels cause flakes. They can be a huge PITA and cause misfires etc with some breech designs, even a plain breech. So some either pick the vent or put a pick in it when loading. I use Swiss for this reason. My Nock Breech design 16 bore will misfire in 2-3 shots with Schuetzen at the same charge and granulation size. Never tried anything else. Then priming must be worked through the vent to get the fire lit. Swiss never does this.
If you find the right patch combination you “might” be able to shoot a ball cast from lead free solder but it would likely need to be a little undersized compared to pure lead. Barrels with wide shallower (.008”) or so and of course the naroow lands will work best with hard RBs. Might need a over powder patch and likely linen patching. But this alloy is pretty pricey. Pure tin might work as well and light be softer than the solder which is often alloyed with silver and copper. Tin can be bought from those who supply bullet metal to brass suppository gun shooters/bullet casters. Try Rotometals dot com. Its worth a try. I would use on of the graphite spray mould coatings. Dunno how “sticky” this stuff would be.