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General discussion => Black Powder Shooting => Topic started by: MuskratMike on December 01, 2023, 08:29:10 PM
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Well since it is December and many people have inclement weather in December I am making it the shortest match yet! You should be able to complete this match in 30 minutes.
This month we are hunting charging Rhino's in Africa! The rules are simple kill the rhino or it kills you. Print 5 targets ONLY! They should come out with orange rings, if you prefer black & white just set your printer for black and white. You get 1 shot at each target using the largest bore gun you have that is ready to shoot. The solid dot in the middle is our "X" ring, the first actual ring is 10 points the outer ring is 5 points and if you miss the rings and are on paper it is a -10 points using the half ball rule. Your score is the total of all 5 targets, so a perfect score will be 50 5X. Shoot from any way you desire as long as there is no support other than your body parts. So no bi-pods, tri-pods, cross sticks, or sand bags. Go to mytargets.com and on the first page down toward the bottom you will find this target. Print 5 of the color you choose and good luck to all. Shoot from 25 yards!
Merry Christmas to all
"Muskrat" Mike
(https://i.ibb.co/PG8MFHM/Rhino-3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YBGXPsX)
(https://i.ibb.co/M6rrPRr/Rhino-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Dphhw7h)
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ummm... uhhhh...
distance?
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I don't see any targets. Is this the same target as shot a year or 2 ago? If so, I've still got lots of them, Taylor.
YUP- that's the one. www.mytargets.com charging rhino.
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Sorry about that. The distance is 25 yards. Getting old and "gomered"
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One shot per target sounds OK. I think I still have some of these from the last time we shot it. My 2f supply is dwindling so at most I will only use 500 grains. I thought last time it was a smoothbore match. Memory dwindling as well.
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Not everyone has a smoothbore, so I made it what ever your largest bore gun is. Remember you get the Rhino or the Rhino gets you!
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I'm hoping to shoot this match, and will use my smoothbore. It was crazy around here the last couple of weeks, and although I did get my deer, : so should have been free to shoot the Nov match, it wasn't the time to be out in the woods, shooting. Further details in the "Over the back fence" section :o
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Right now, my largest bore gun is a .54 pistol. Maybe I will try it. Any thought on a distance handicap for pistol?
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Foresterdj: just use what ever is the largest bore rifle, smoothbore, or smooth rifle you have that's ready to shoot. Just thought as it is a charging animal it should be a big bore but if 36 or 40 is all you got have at it with them. You are welcome to use the pistol but it will be scored with the rest.
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Just printed my targets. Now I have to wait for our range to re-open tomorrow and better weather than today's steady rain.
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I am in the same boat. Started raining two days ago and is forecasted to dump rain 9 of the next 10 days. The only dry day I am booked up on. Well it's early in the month, bound to change.
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Discovered the update to my VPN stopped me from seeing pictures on this site. Hopefully, Taylor and I will get out to shoot this one today.
Supposed to warm up to 5 or so.
I have 10 or 12 balls left for my match/hunting rifle. So, all set to go.
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I was able to shoot the December PM using the largest FL ML gun I had, namely my GRF 20 ga. NW trade gun (no rear sight). I thought the match would give me an opportunity to retest my Tanner .595" RB's roughened between 2 coarse files, which served me well on another forum's postal match (https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/november-postal-match-target.171075/). No dice: The rhino is still very much alive, but I am likely not. (Had I used a rifle, things would have been different!) Here are pics of today's frolic (and no smart remarks about my target backer: I know it needs replacing and will do so shortly):
(https://i.ibb.co/3fgs1Bm/IMG-0085.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jVn5hgk)
(https://i.ibb.co/gj12xyc/IMG-0086.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ng2GFrK)
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Obviously, it's BEING used, Paul and THAT'S the main thing.
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You're right, Daryl. Next time, I may want to use a rifle!
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Tried my .54 pistol yesterday, on some other targets I had. Obviously the rhino was going to get me if I relied on pistol, so will use rifle (when my printer ink comes in).
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NEED BIGGER PISTOL! is all. 8)
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So far only 1 person has submitted their targets. Here in Oregon we are on tract for the wettest December ever. I am going to try to get out tomorrow or Wednesday and shoot mine. Let's get out there and shoot. Should only take 30-40 minutes to shoot 5 shots. 'Tis the season to make white smoke.
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Thank you Mike for making this a quickie. My toner was getting low but I got one print good enough to see. I had five copies made.
In the spirit of the shoot I used my .61 caliber Jaeger. I shot a small doe in Southern Illinois with it last month.
I was using 85 grains of Goex 2f, .595 balls, and .020 tight canvas with bear oil.
I'm back in AZ. Went to the range yesterday afternoon. Slight overcast and the wind was less than 5 mph from the north. Temperature was 49 f.
I didn't mark any values for score on the targets. If I read your rules right they all score a 10 but since I'm not sure I left them blank.
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(https://i.ibb.co/jM4fgb7/1212230334-Burst01.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k8cBQ5Y)
I've never named a rifle but for some reason I refer to this one as the "Little Thumper" so far it is 2 for two on deer.
Since it only weighs 7.25 pounds, it thumps a little bit even with an eighty five grain plinking load.
(https://i.ibb.co/KDPxjCy/1119230701.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HCSTDmg)
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Well we finally got two days in a row without rain here in the Pacific N.W. Went out and shot the match today. A piece of advise is to print 5 of each target and see what one you can see the best. I only printed the original with the orange rings. Could not see the X with my coin silver front sight. It might have went better if I used the black & white version. I shot off a bench using only my elbows, hands and shoulder as contact points. I shot this with my Don Bruton built .54 caliber rifle using 75 grains of Goex 3F, a .530 round ball and .018 ticking patches greased with pure neatsfoot oil. I am scoring this a 40 0X. Oh well there's always January. ONLY 18 MORE DAYS TO GO!
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(https://i.ibb.co/pKdHvHv/10-2023-4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/B6BhVhV)
(https://i.ibb.co/4mFXdhL/10-2023-5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/w0dPs5q)
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Turned out nice this afternoon (+36 deg.) so I dug my old .50 T/C Hawken percussion out for the rhino. I know it has been at least 15 yrs since I fired that gun, and I had removed the peep from it for a different rifle a couple years ago and put the original open adjustable rear on. So figured I better try a few on a practice target. Well it was shooting quite high, so turned the elevation screw for down and it twisted off. Thus the spring was pushing rear sight to maximum up. I took one last practice holding way low and called the practice good. Here is twisted off screw.
(https://i.ibb.co/LN62MRd/broken-elevation-screw.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3RWLwdm)
On rhino 1 I held toward bottom of page, and hit top edge of page, so -10 on that one. Using 70 gr, 3Fg, .010 patch with crisco grease rubbed in and .490 RB, fired standing, hand held gun but back of left hand steadied on a post.
(https://i.ibb.co/8DpZ9ZT/rhino-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GvLSRSB)
After this I was aiming maybe 6 - 8 inches below the target, actually below the target board they were stapled to. Here they are in order.
(https://i.ibb.co/FJZFK6b/rhino-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ctfj1Jc)
(https://i.ibb.co/VjWT0Pv/rhino-3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ngsjq5D)
(https://i.ibb.co/86vN9MX/rhino-4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9sKcWnG)
(https://i.ibb.co/VgSkxzg/rhino-5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pfzkQMf)
I think this puts me at a 30 (-10 and 4 @ +10). Shots 4 and 5 tickle the X but not enough if a half ball in the X is needed.
Merry Christmas to all.
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The lines are pretty fat was not sure how to score the first target. Seeing how the other ones were scored , my targets score a 50.
I shot them offhand standing.
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Alacran: I also score your targets as a 50. You're leading the pack so far.
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Nice shooting everyone. I will try and get my .54 flint lock out, but deer hunting takes president.
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I will be mostly done with work this week, so should have a whole week to get this done...temperatures should stay 'reasonable'.
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Thought I’d get in on this month’s shoot. .62 cal Fusil De Chasse smoothbore, .600 RB, .024 patch with Ballistol/water lube cut at the muzzle, 70 gr Goex OE 2F with 2F in the pan.
(https://i.ibb.co/P9hyBtk/0861-CD69-03-EF-47-F8-B837-BC4-DAE4-C40-C0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nncyhRp)
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Nice shooting PK, you're in 2nd place. How did you shoot it, off hand prone or seated unsupported. Really nice for a smoothbore.
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Nice shooting PK, you're in 2nd place. How did you shoot it, off hand prone or seated unsupported. Really nice for a smoothbore.
Thanks. Standing, offhand.
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Good shooting, PK. A solid 50/50 by the looks of it.
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Thanks Daryl, good target to shoot a smoothbore at.
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That's some nice smoothboring.
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Good shooting PK!
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Hope it warms up a bit, so Taylor and I can get out. :(
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Daryl, Just bundle up and go shoot. Heck it was clear down to 39F when I shot, we even have had some frost in the mornings. So "buck up buttercup" and go shoot.
All said in good humor. I've seen the weather up there. Even Sgt. Preston and King are staying indoors.
Merry Christmas.
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Mike, it used to be that -25 F was the cut off point when we would go shooting. But those days are gone. It isn't fun when your hands get so cold they throb with pain, and these days, that is around -5 C, or just below freezing point. No problem keeping the core warm - it's the fingers that are the limiting factor.
Temp is supposed to go up to 6C next week, so there is an opportunity if it isn't raining too hard. I have my kit ready...going to shoot my Joseph Lang .66 cal rifle.
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Daryl, Just bundle up and go shoot. Heck it was clear down to 39F when I shot, we even have had some frost in the mornings. So "buck up buttercup" and go shoot.
All said in good humor. I've seen the weather up there. Even Sgt. Preston and King are staying indoors.
Merry Christmas.
39? No wonder you went shooting. Wouldn't even need a coat. ;D
Maybe a light rain jacket?
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I have shot in temperatures ranging from 110 f to 10 f. However, as I get older it is much easier to shoot in very hot weather than very cold weather. Anything below 25 f is more work than it is worth. Add a little wind to the mix and it becomes unbearable.
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Finally got to shoot this. Use the 16 bore flint and a 54 Kibler I was adjusting.
16 bore targets.
Used a rest at the range but just my elbows no mechanical thing etcz>
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(https://i.ibb.co/vzdHDGc/IMG-3103.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XJ5bVgW)
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humane society bend oregon (https://nonprofitlight.com/or/bend/humane-society-of-central-oregon)
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Kibler Colonial 54 cal. A little light for Rhino but what the heck.
(https://i.ibb.co/bNkWY73/IMG-3111.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vLSwfDB)
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Nice Dan. I see a 50 2X.
Just tried to see them again and the right hand 2 targets don't show for me.
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Dpharrss: Only one set of targets are allowed on this months match. Both of the sets you posted are fantastic. Which ever one was the first set fired will be your scored one. So let me know which is the scored set. Really doesn't matter as either will put you in first place. These are really impressive. Well done
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Shot the 54 first getting it sighted in was the mission. The 16 bore had been loaded for hunting season so I shot it afterwards.
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Good shooting Dan. However, if you're resting your elbows on a bench, aren't you supporting the rifle with something other than your own body parts?
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From the initial instructions.
Shoot from any way you desire as long as there is no support other than your body parts. So no bi-pods, tri-pods, cross sticks, or sand bags.
So could be shot standing, feet supported by the ground.
Or sitting, hind quarters supported by a chair.
Or kneeling, knee and leg on ground, elbow on knee.
Or prone, belly and elbows supported by the ground.
So sitting elbows on a bench seems to fall into the "any way you desire" category. At least that is how I took it. Just nothing else like bi-pods, sticks, sandbags contacting the weapon.
But I could be completely wrong.
I shot standing, holding gun in hands, but resting back of left hand against a post. And still probably in last place.
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From Mike's post:
" I shot off a bench using only my elbows, hands and shoulder as contact points."
I took this to mean he rested his elbows on the 'bench'.
He is talking about what the rifle rests on.
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Dan is just fine. It's how I shot my match. No different than shooting prone using your elbows. Sorry to all if I didn't make it clear enough in the instructions.
I score that target as a 50 2X (that's only 3 X's away form a perfect score).
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Got out my biggest Rhino gun..lol. 75 caliber matchlock musket. 48” smooth bore. .735” bare ball, 60 grains 1 1/2F black. Had to rest my elbows on the table. Too much weight for an injured shoulder. Those big balls destroyed my log back stop. I think the rhino would have felt it.
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OKABOW: Oh yea he would have felt it! Another great score of a 50. Boy oh boy do we have some fine shooters!
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Dan is just fine. It's how I shot my match. No different than shooting prone using your elbows. Sorry to all if I didn't make it clear enough in the instructions.
I score that target as a 50 2X (that's only 3 X's away form a perfect score).
I have no problem with Dan's using the bench, he turned in an amazing score since that red dot is mighty small at 25 yards.
I read the rules a little different. However I still would have shot the little rifle offhand, since it has considerable recoil.
There are only four traditional positions that I know of where the rifle is only supported by the body. Standing, sitting, kneeling. and the so called Creedmoor prone position.
Of course you can sit in a chair, lean against a post and many other ways where you would only be supporting the gun with your arms and body.
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Okawbow,
Pleased to see you using the old matchlock!
I would use mine too, but likely will not get any targets printed off..
I never do!
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That thing shoots pretty good for a piece of DOM pipe :) Actually I made the barrel from high quality hydraulic tube that was annealed and normalized and the bore was polished. It shoots fairly straight out to 50 yards. Never tried any farther.
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Mine was annealed the top of the wood stove for a few months, Okawbow.
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Dan is just fine. It's how I shot my match. No different than shooting prone using your elbows. Sorry to all if I didn't make it clear enough in the instructions.
I score that target as a 50 2X (that's only 3 X's away form a perfect score).
Prone is as good as a bench with a front rest if done right.
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It might be, but then there's the issue of tying to get up off the ground.
ONLY 8 MORE DAYS LEFT!
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8 days should be long enough for even the stiffest of us to get up off the ground, MusKrat!
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I'm printing some out, and I'm hoping to play on Friday. Probably with my .62 rhino rifle
The weather has been really weird lately. +7 degrees and rainy yesterday.
I've been sick lately, so that's my current excuse until I have a better one.
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Daryl is returning today from his Christmas get-away, Hopefully we can get out maybe Thursday or Friday and kill some rhinoceros. I am going to use my Joseph Lang .66 cal rifle. It's sighted for 100 yards, to I'll have to aim about four inches low of the dot.
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A simple spotter will work well, Taylor. I'm BAAAAAAACK! ;D
I think old bull thrower still has some balls around somewhere, close to the right size.
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ONLY 3 DAYS LEFT!
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Well, Taylor and I got out. Shot sitting and from a table, elbow rested, 25 yards as per inst. Should have blackened the X ring on more targets, I guess.
Not too bad results. Had to use 3 different sizes of balls, .682, .675" and one .662". 10 ounce patch with the .682's, 14 ounce with the .675's and a 14 ounce AND a 10 ounce with the
.662" ball. That was VERY snug, but once into the bore, down it went just fine.
.69 CapLock
Various balls
Various patches
105gr.(weight) 2F Schutzen
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Great shooting Daryl. I see this as a 50 3X and very close to a 50 4X. This puts you in 1st place. Between you and Dphariss its very close. Would others look at both of these and see if my old eyes are measuring them correctly. Dphariss posted 2 different 5 shot groups so only his first (the last group with his .54 count).
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That's how we scored it as well, Mike. Very close on the bottom left & right targets - almost comes 1/2 way, but not quite.
Thanks.
BUT- you haven't seen Taylor's targets yet, shot with his Joseph Lang 16 bore, built in 1853.
(https://i.ibb.co/Jd1MJnL/100-7303.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PYLfHxp)
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(https://i.ibb.co/F5tS4qk/0-4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m97L5Fr)
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As Daryl mentioned I used my old Joseph Lang 16 bore rifle - quite appropriate for rhino, though I expect it was made for hunting in India, judging by the engraving. I used 86 gr. of GOEX 2Fg, .650" Tanner pure lead balls, .020" hard cotton denim patches and Ballistol/water at 1:10 for lube. The rifle loads like silk. Its first rear sight leaf is for 100 meters, so at 25 yards, the rifle shoots about 3 1/2" high. For full disclosure, I used a black bud aiming point about the same size as the X ring in the target, stapled below the bull on the target.
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WOW! Taylor that is an amazing target. By the decision that your three "X" hits are more centered your 50 3X now leads the board. Everyone else agree? As for using a sighting dot is just smart shooting.
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Fine by me, even if only one was centered.
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Good job Taylor!
I always have too much needs doing and no clue on printing targets so that's that!
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LAST DAY TI GET 'ER DONE!
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There are Rhinos in India as well. ;)
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I got out and burned a bit of powder with my .45 flintlock. I was shooting low for some reason, so I was a little disappointed with my results.
I was shooting offhand for it. Oh well. More practice is required.
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CONGRATULATIONS TO TYLER FOR BEING THE DECEMBER WINNER!
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Yes for sure, Taylor :o had a good set of targets.
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Can't wait to see what he comes up with. I bet it will be one we can all see with our aging eyes.
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Glad I am not a rhino heading for Taylor. Just saying.....
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Hard on the nose. ;D