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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: plastikosmd on December 23, 2023, 12:14:07 AM
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Likely nothing special but I think I want to make it a shooter.
Breach plug needs to be fabricated and pistol stock remade due to cracks.
I’m just trying to figure out what/who made it
I don’t know why I’m having such trouble with the script
(https://i.postimg.cc/W1J2GR2Y/IMG-4285.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RW45mDJw)
(https://i.postimg.cc/MKL6fZ8j/IMG-4286.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2V4RPDyz)
(https://i.postimg.cc/9F0XfRsh/IMG-4287.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CzypP1FP)
(https://i.postimg.cc/59nN1q7g/IMG-4290.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Th5XJmX5)
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Because it's in French? I can't make out the name. Is it Jausér D Sedan? Jasuér from Sedan possibly?
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Maybe?
Better than what I came up with
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Searching French pistols, nearly identical ones are “rifled swamped multigroove French officer pistols” dating back to 1700/early1800. Christie’s had a couple.
Looks like that is what it is/was.
I will post pics of full piece. I love the balance of the swamped/rifled barrel. Now to make a plug and have someone do their best to duplicate the wood
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You might look into having someone stabilize/repair the cracks in the stock, as opposed to replacing it.
Looking forward to seeing more pictures.
John
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Home on Tuesday, is just plain comfortable to hold. Balance is awesome. I have a bunch of fancy siber/etc and this is my favorite.
Forend/forearm?? (Not sure on pistol nomenclature) barrel channel is pretty cracked. Someone glued but it would really require removal/splicing in a new piece.
If I can find someone interested in some woodwork (outside my my comfort zone) I’d love to hear from them.
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I've done a lot of this sort of work, so let's see some pictures of what you're talking about.
John
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(https://i.postimg.cc/ZYjmFZXj/IMG-4338.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/V5S2zyfb)
Multigroove
(https://i.postimg.cc/tTjbDgXv/IMG-4339.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sBwbgsG5)
Cracked at barrel pin
(https://i.postimg.cc/kGjdnFWL/IMG-4340.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XByPL5Hg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/GpYrkD1s/IMG-4341.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XZVTWpqV)
Bit of wood missing at lock inset
(https://i.postimg.cc/qqBTVZ68/IMG-4342.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VrhTXgR6)
The plug I have to make
(https://i.postimg.cc/mgKBzwKs/IMG-4343.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gxyf1vYS)
Only other marking I can see, seems odd for the time period?
(https://i.postimg.cc/C1sg2V5h/IMG-4344.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/phr494K4)
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I can’t get the lock out, as of yet
There may be some writing on one of the lock screws.
I will look closer
(https://i.postimg.cc/L58r0YGD/IMG-4345.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WFxWd3Nq)
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Meh, strike that.
Lock out, just need to get trigger/guard out
(https://i.postimg.cc/d1qXLZQF/IMG-4346.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qt5QFRCD)
(https://i.postimg.cc/cCCbcq85/IMG-4347.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sGFmVNmp)
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So what wood is that stock? From the pics I can't tell.
And what are the white specks all over it? Dust, dandruff? Something permanent?
It certainly has a nice lock, set trigger!
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The stock looks to have a shellac based finish ?? You can see the build-up around the lock mortice...Nice lock ....later flintlock era 1810-1820??
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Thx all
White specks, probably junk from sitting on someone’s wall or basement for years. I haven’t attempted to clean it at all.
Tho dandruff is a possibility, being retired.
Lock appears well made. Spring is strong.
Wood type, unknown. I wouldn’t know how to start to tell.
I guess I should start on a plug and get someone to fabricate a facsimile “stock”
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Plastikosmd,
My thoughts on your very nice late French FL pistol:
Lock: Nice late FL. Great condition. The signature is a puzzle. "D Sedan” makes sense. It’s a city in NE France. I think the signature starts with an “L”, or less likely a “T”, but probably not a “J”. Der Neue Støckel lists 45 gun makers in Sedan, none of which I can make fit.
Stock: Although broken, bondo’ed, maybe shellac’ed, and possibly the accidental recipient of paint overspray, the checkering is in unusually good shape, I like the architecture, and the piece appears well made. Looking at the lock mortise just above the sear spring area, I see open grain, suggesting the usual walnut. I would hate to see that fine stock replaced. It could certainly be restored by the right hands, leaving the valuable original parts and history intact.
Barrel: Gorgeous swamp and rifling! Striping in some images looks like (faux?) Damascus. When you make the new breechplug, please don’t change the female threads in the barrel. Match the plug threads to the barrel. I agree the numbers look relatively recent. Maybe "bondo man" put his "mark" (last four of SSN) hidden under the barrel? If you know who owned it in the past, you might corroborate that.
You have a nice pistol, well worth restoring and keeping as close to original as possible. I agree it would be fun to shoot with light loads. Upon discharge, my 69 cal multigrooved French officer's pistol with 30 grains fffg powder twists fairly violently in the direction oppisite to the rifling twist. From my experience, if you shoot it in a restored stock, use VERY light loads :-)
Bill Paton
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Thank you so much!
The balance/pointing is so wonderful, I have to get it back to firing condition.
You think this stock can be restored???!!
Wow! I would love that.
Someone chime in that thinks they can do it.
Interesting on the ssn#.
I will definitely keep the female threads and make plug to match.
Thank you for load info. I would keep it quite light.
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I could help you with that.
I'll PM you in the morning, and would like to see more pictures.
John
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Great!
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Just a thought, but I wonder if the stock is made of Ebony? Hard to tell from the pictures. What does it look like to you?
John
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Is most likely to be made of walnut that has possibly been 'ebonised' or blackened using an iron/vinegar solution. This could account for the dark colour overall, including in the barrel channel and lock mortice. There does seem to be some lighter colour in the lock mortice, particularly in the sear and mainspring areas.
I have a percussion pistol that appears to have had this treatment.
(https://i.ibb.co/8N2P23D/P1050165.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MZpPpTD)
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Thanks Niall.
I know Ebony is difficult to work with glue wise, and achieving a reliable glue bond.
plastikosmd, PM sent.
John